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How Much: Ferts and Co2???

Well, I'm "experienced" in low tech but it's time I went finally switched to HIGH TECH! It's a 10g.

My Setup Will Be:
2.5lb pressurized Co2 system
Aquaclear HOB

Lighting:
2 x 26watt 6500k CFL's

Substrate:
FloraMax

Ferts:
KNO3
KH2PO4
Traces(CMS+B)

My questions are:
What BPS rate am I aiming for? Yes, I have a drop checker.
What type of fert dosing should I dose? I'm going to have HC, Jungle Val, Ricca, and lots of Hygro species.

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How Much: Ferts and Co2???

Play around with the bps until your drop checker displays a nice green color. You can follow Tom Barr's EI dosing or PPS Pro. You have to be willing to do some research (google) and spend some times to read.

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I've searched the forum and googled around but I didn't find exactly what I wanted on dosing. The last time I did that I ended up dosing to much CSM+B and killed half my plants.


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Use this calculator http://calc.petalphile.com/

It's what most everyone uses on here. Once you figure what you want get back with a verification from everyone if you'd like prior to moving forward.

I noticed you didn't include the potassium sulfate (K2SO4). Typically when using the EI method you'll want equal parts K+ to NO3- (as their specific ions). I altered my EI dosing like everyone does their own little tweaks. I am running a true 1 part NO3- to 0.10 parts PO4 to 1 part K+ then the CSM+B is at the same dosing grams as the PO4.

Let me knowif you need help after studying this.
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I noticed you didn't include the potassium sulfate (K2SO4). Typically when using the EI method you'll want equal parts K+ to NO3- (as their specific ions). I altered my EI dosing like everyone does their own little tweaks. I am running a true 1 part NO3- to 0.10 parts PO4 to 1 part K+ then the CSM+B is at the same dosing grams as the PO4.
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This is a good way to start fertilizing: _Dosing Regimes_ If you later want to modify the dosages you can do so.

The best way to use CO2 is to use the plants to tell you if you have the right bubble rate. Use a drop checker to get into the right general range of bubble rates - green drop checker - then slightly increase the bubble rate, and watch the plant's reaction for 2-3 days, to see if the plants do better, pearl more, grow faster, etc. If they do, slightly increase the bubble rate again and repeat, until the plants don't seem to do any better. Then back off to the last bubble rate where the plants did improve. That would be the optimum bubble rate for the plants. While doing this keep an eye on the fish to be sure they aren't in distress from the CO2 - clustering at the surface, usually in a corner, laying on the substrate, losing their colors, etc. If you see that behavior, drop back to the bubble rate where you didn't see it.

This works best if you make sure the water is well oxygenated, good water surface ripple over the whole tank, use a wet/dry filter, keep up with tank, filter, water cleanliness, etc.

It is extremely unlikely you did any harm to your plants with CSM+B. It would take a really massive overdose to do that.

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This is a good way to start fertilizing: _Dosing Regimes_ If you later want to modify the dosages you can do so.

The best way to use CO2 is to use the plants to tell you if you have the right bubble rate. Use a drop checker to get into the right general range of bubble rates - green drop checker - then slightly increase the bubble rate, and watch the plant's reaction for 2-3 days, to see if the plants do better, pearl more, grow faster, etc. If they do, slightly increase the bubble rate again and repeat, until the plants don't seem to do any better. Then back off to the last bubble rate where the plants did improve. That would be the optimum bubble rate for the plants. While doing this keep an eye on the fish to be sure they aren't in distress from the CO2 - clustering at the surface, usually in a corner, laying on the substrate, losing their colors, etc. If you see that behavior, drop back to the bubble rate where you didn't see it.

This works best if you make sure the water is well oxygenated, good water surface ripple over the whole tank, use a wet/dry filter, keep up with tank, filter, water cleanliness, etc.

It is extremely unlikely you did any harm to your plants with CSM+B. It would take a really massive overdose to do that.
Thanks, The link helped alot and so did all of your information but the reason I think the CSM+B killed the plants is because when I started dosing less what was left of them started to grow again and much much healthier.


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