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post #16 of 57 (permalink) Old 04-30-2013, 12:24 AM Thread Starter
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i called Bill and he doesnt have much tank bred 4"+ ones. he needs to custom order from malaysia but he guarantees good ones.

ive been reading about difficulty in hightech plant tanks and discus from here:
http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showth...ank-Experience

i do plan to get 4-5"+ discus only but again. is it that hard to keep plants and discus both happy?

im not stupid to say well i can do better where almost everyone failed.

all other ones in my stock list plans are small fish like tetras, corys, rams.
i need a big show fish. and i hate angels...
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post #17 of 57 (permalink) Old 04-30-2013, 12:42 AM
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When I kept discus, I started with 5" adults in a barebottom tank with some potted plants. Ofc, I had no idea about plants back then so probably the heat kept killing them, or lack of ferts, or lack of lights who knows, but at that size the discus felt like regular fish to me. I think you will be fine if you start out with good stock and do the water changes and pick high temp plants!

and I agree with you on angels.
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Keeping discus in plant tank

There are a bunch of plants that will do well above 82 degrees, if you have the right plants you will be ok. Another great breather is Jack Wattley check him out


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Just thought that I would give you a little inspiration. You can have a planted tank and keep Discus too. This is a picture of my 90 gallon tank. I run pressurized C02 and UV sterilization. I have 4 Royal Purple Tiger's, 3 Siam Yellow Master's and 4 Red Melon Yellow Faced Discus. All of which have been doing great over the past several months.
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Ammania Gracilis
Bacopa caroliniana
cryptocoryne Balanesae
cryptocoryne Lucens
cryptocoryne wendtii Brown
cryptocoryne wendtii Green
Echinodorus Parviflorus
Hydrocotyle leucocephala
hygrophillia difformis
Limnophillia Aquatica
Limnophillia Aromatica
Ludwigia Natans
HC
Java fern
Narrow leaf Java fern
Rotala Indica
Sagittaria subulata
Vallisneria Spiralis

this is what i have. any plants that cant handle 80 degrees?
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Just thought that I would give you a little inspiration. You can have a planted tank and keep Discus too.
Your discus tank looks great, dinnese - I agree with you.
Here's a couple of sets of pics of mine - forgive me if you've seen them before:

http://s1105.photobucket.com/albums/...3RedSnakeSkins
http://s1105.photobucket.com/albums/...spaul/Sept2011


And please allow me to add another small (but worthy) thought for you folks wanting to get started with discus:

Besides making sure you get reasonably good-sized, more mature stock to begin with, from a known experienced supplier of quality, healthy discus, another of my other prime 'rules' for being successful at keeping discus, is to keep things as simple as you can.

Because once you start to elaborate, move into high-tech, make maintenance & control of water params more difficult, take on those extra challenges, etc., rather than just focusing on the discus, then you increase the 'opportunities' for messing up, and things often begin to go sideways.
Follow the KISS concept when keeping discus, and you'll succeed !
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[QUOTE=dkreef;3253426]Ammania Gracilis
Bacopa caroliniana
cryptocoryne Balanesae
cryptocoryne Lucens
cryptocoryne wendtii Brown
cryptocoryne wendtii Green
Echinodorus Parviflorus
Hydrocotyle leucocephala
hygrophillia difformis
Limnophillia Aquatica
Limnophillia Aromatica
Ludwigia Natans
HC
Java fern
Narrow leaf Java fern
Rotala Indica
Sagittaria subulata
Vallisneria Spiralis

Quite a nice selection for a discus tank - most of those should work well assuming you maintain temp in the 82-83 range, as opposed to 85-86, as a concession to the plants. A few may not do so well, at least at first until they become more acclimated to the higher temps - but just be patient - they could all come around.
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So which ones are questionable from my list?
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I dont plan to go higher than 82. More like 80 is where i wanna be.
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Well, 80 is a little low for discus - I wouldn't go lower than 82-83. Remember, focus on the discus, not the plants.
As for the plants, as I said, most should do well, except for the HC (ok with CO2, but make sure you want to go that route - if you really want to suceed with discus, you might want to avoid it, at least at first until you become familiar with discus traits & behaviors - their likes & dislikes).
I don't have any experience with Gracilus and Hydrocotyle, so don't know how they would do.
Make it easier on yourself - stay away from unknowns, and stick to the tried & true methods with discus, especially in a planted environment, and in such a large tank as you're planning. As I said before - keep things simple - but in line with proven successful methods & approaches.
I honestly don't know what else to tell you, without sounding like a broken record.

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Keeping discus in plant tank

Paul is correct. Talk to your breather about the temperature for your discuss. For the most part, specially in tank bred discus you will slow down their metabolism too much if you drop the temperature under 82 degrees, I have seen some experts keep wild discus at 80 degrees, but I certainly do not recommend going that route with out fully knowing the why.


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Glad ur looking to adult fish... the young ones require lots of feeds
. And thus producenlots of waste.. once I went barebottom I could not believe how much waste there was in jus 30min.. could not imagine how was actually jus laying in the gravel. . Ugh!

Discus can live in a planted tank.. but can they thrive.. not really. . Hence need to buy adults. They wont stunt.. if u get juvies.. chances are they will stunt, ie. Really big eyes compared to entire body

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Bill is a great source
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warlock, have yu heard of Frank from Discus King here in chino hills, CA?
friend of mine bought few from him.

i was reading kenny's discus forum on april shipment and was blown away at his selection.
not sure if Bill can get that kind of selection and pricing. i hope he can...
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warlock, have yu heard of Frank from Discus King here in chino hills, CA?
friend of mine bought few from him.

i was reading kenny's discus forum on april shipment and was blown away at his selection.
not sure if Bill can get that kind of selection and pricing. i hope he can...
nope.. never heard of.. nor can i find anything of a Discus king in CA..

kenny gets those shippments EVERY MONTH! Don't think bill really imports.. mostly just breeds his own... kenny imports.. his "breeder" is Forrest from Malaysia..
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got it. make sense then. bill says his bred ones are sold before they reach 3" so he would have to import the adult sizes also.
ill find out. thanks
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