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Everything I know of aquaria just crashed in on itself

First I must apologize for posting this thread in this forum, as I didn't know where else to post it.

I've stumbled across a Japanese video that states an inventor has patented an aquarium technology that has enabled a whole host of fish to live together in the same aquarium (Discus, Goldfish, Koi, and Marine Animals) under the name of "好適環境水" or "Koutekikankyousui". I wonder if plants are able to survive in one of these aquarium as well. Here is the US Patent. http://glassbox-design.com/wp-conten...thod_of_pr.pdf

Am I reading this correct? The claims seem to be credible (I can read Japanese).








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I wondered what happened to that idea, it was current in either the late 70's or early 80's. I remember reading about it then and seeing a tank in an aquarium store in Honolulu that had freshwater angelfish swimming with saltwater clown fish. It seems like there was some sort of sugar involved that made it possible for both types to survive, at least for a while, but it's been a long time and memory plays tricks.
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I know years ago when it was considered okay to feed feeder fish to salt water fish, those feeder goldfish would live for several hours in the salt water aquarium that we had, but sooner or later they passed away.

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I wondered what happened to that idea, it was current in either the late 70's or early 80's. I remember reading about it then and seeing a tank in an aquarium store in Honolulu that had freshwater angelfish swimming with saltwater clown fish. It seems like there was some sort of sugar involved that made it possible for both types to survive, at least for a while, but it's been a long time and memory plays tricks.
The patent claims that a sort of powder was developed that acted in place of salt to allow the marine fish to survive? I am purely speculating what I have read. If it is remotely possible in the 80's, there must be a way to enable both fish to survive, especially with the advent of higher technologies. There are even some photos of Discus being able to survive in this environment. Discus are incredibly sensitive fish, so I don't reckon a conversion to saltwater is even remotely possible.

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As other posters have noted, there was something like this back in the'80s - I think it was called "Magic Ocean" or some such.

IMO, it's one of those things where maybe it can be done, but why??? I'm not a purist as far as "biotopes or nothing", but this just seems pointless. Hard to believe that any of the fish are really going to do their best, let alone exhibit natural behaviors.

This being TPT, I guess the real question is, can plants live in it?
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Interesting. If I could grow plants and have clown fish or something, that'd be an interesting combination.
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Reminds me of Dodge's Tomahawk motorcycle concept a while back...they took a Viper engine and stuck it between the wheels. Sure, you can do it and get a lot of attention and stares, but is it practical in any way? Probably not. Still pretty interesting to look at, though. It took my brain a good thirty seconds to accept that there were clownfish swimming next to goldfish.

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Everything I know of aquaria just crashed in on itself

Interesting but it seems like they only tested it for 6 months? Not years.

Again idk that many of us here would consider doing it but plenty of people in the states would. Here it's more about fish than any sort of biotope or aquascape (for average users)


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Neat, but I'm sure neither the freshwater nor the marine fish are going to be at their best in that type of environment.

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Re: Everything I know of aquaria just crashed in on itself

Impossible to say how well the fish really are, but I mean a successful run for 6 months is impressive

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Impossible to say how well the fish really are, but I mean a successful run for 6 months is impressive

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Yea I suppose any gauge of quality of life is subjective beyond visual signs of health. And yes 6 months is impressive. I'm honestly surprised it worked that long.

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