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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 03-19-2013, 12:29 AM Thread Starter
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Ok. I have been n2 aquariums 4 16 yrs . BUT I setup my 1st planted aquarium several months ago. Its a 25 gallon tank. Eco Complete & Flourite substrate mixed. Eheim canister filter w/ inline co2 injection reactor. Runnin 3 wpg lighting. 5 Guppies. 1 Koi Angel = 2 keep the baby guppies under control . 20 shrimp. A few apple snails.

Here's the thing. I do WEEKLY 50% water changes EVERY Mon evening. My water chemistry is PERFECT = phosphates, ph, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, hardness. EVERYTHING IS PERFECT. But I got this SLOW growing dark green / black short algae, doesn't get longer than 1/6" - 1/8" on some of my leaves & some small spots on my substrate. Today I noticed ALL my snails were on the bottom in their shells = looked dead . So I jumped up & drained about 75% of the tank. Vacuumed the substrate = even thou I never have n the tank. then refilled. Some snails r movin, some not. What I don't understand is y all of a sudden r my snails dying? Shrimp r VERY delicate & they r still alive. Anyone have any ideas on what can cause the little bit of algae & my snails dying? Algae didn't start till about a month ago so I don't think its the lighting... Any info?
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What exactly are your water parameters? "Perfect" does not mean much.

3 WPG of lighting also does not tell us a lot, since the WPG guideline is only applicable to T12 lighting. In any case, if you have high lighting, you should be dosing fertilizers as well (if you are not already).

A lack of fertilizers could be responsible for your algae breakout.

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Agreed. We can't help you unless you give us more detail.

1) What kind of lighting?
2) What are your water parameters?
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Phosphate = 0 - 0.25 ppm depending on who is looking @ it. I say it's 0 but my fiance says 0.25

Ammonia = 0 ppm

Nitrite = 0 ppm

Nitrate = 0 ppm

Hardness = I only checked it b4 I set up the tank. Checked the water right from my tap. I know it was fine because I would be using ro water if it wasn't.

Lighting = 2 Coralife dual bulb fixtures. Each fixture has a Coralife 6700K & a Zoo Med Flora Sun bulb in it.

Fertilizer = Recommended dose of Seachem Flourish once a week = After my weekly water changes
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So after doin some indepth searching online i dont have perfect water like i thought i guess. With such high lighting i am looking n2 dosing the seachem nitrogen, phosphorous & potassium @ least twice a week & bump the flourish up 2 @ least twice a week as well. Think this might help / be a better direction?
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NPK would definitely help. You might also want to invest in a drop checker to ensure that your CO2 is high enough to keep up with that kind of lighting.
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I HAVE THE RED SEA CO2 INDICATOR N MY TANK
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Are you disregarding the instructions that came with it (i.e. not using aquarium water)? 4 dkH reference solution is to be used for (more) accurate results.

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Im using the solution that came with it...
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Im using the solution that came with it...
I believe the solution is only the bromothymol blue.

The instructions normally tell you to add the solution to aquarium water (which is not correct). You are supposed to use 4 dkH reference solution.

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Well it works 4 me. I also have a bubble counter comin off the solenoid & its @ 3 bubbles per second. U might see that as incorrect 2 but it works for me. Anyone else have any HELPFUL info???
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Well it works 4 me. I also have a bubble counter comin off the solenoid & its @ 3 bubbles per second. U might see that as incorrect 2 but it works for me. Anyone else have any HELPFUL info???
Others will also tell you that using 4 dkH reference solution (and not tap/distilled/DI/RO/aquarium water) is the correct way to do it.

Using aquarium water (which has other DOCs in it that may affect kH) will ultimately skew your CO2 estimation using the pH/kH/CO2 relationship.

But, as mentioned, increasing your fertilization and CO2 will help with eliminating algae (in general). If you provide us with a photograph, we can also help identify the type of algae you have, and the best way to combat it as well.

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I see what u r saying. I will look into it. Know anything about the Seachem Nitrogen, phosphorus & potassium ferts? I'm a big fan of Seachem products. I picked up all 3 from my local planted tank store this evening after work. I wanted 2 get dry ferts but he doesn't sell em & I didn't want 2 wait a week or so 4 them 2 come n the mail...
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Also, what about the snails??? I understand having low ferts but that wouldn't effect my snails would it?
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I see what u r saying. I will look into it. Know anything about the Seachem Nitrogen, phosphorus & potassium ferts? I'm a big fan of Seachem products. I picked up all 3 from my local planted tank store this evening after work. I wanted 2 get dry ferts but he doesn't sell em & I didn't want 2 wait a week or so 4 them 2 come n the mail...
You can definitely use the Seachem products if you are more comfortable using them. As you already know, dry fertilizers will be cheaper, so if you want, you can look into them in the future.

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Also, what about the snails??? I understand having low ferts but that wouldn't effect my snails would it?
I don't know too much about snail health myself, but as you mentioned, their behaviour does not seem normal - I would keep monitoring them (have they shown any abnormal signs of behaviour since then?)

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