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I used regular sand with osmocote in the bottom. Super cheap and easy.

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I spread the clippings across the top of the subtrate evenly and then the pressed down firmly to kind of imbed them into the substrate. That's it.

I've done an HC DSM with 1 year old Eco-Complete rinsed before and it worked well.
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I have used eco-complete in this kind exact situation and was able to grow HC and dwarf microsword but I'm sure like mistergreen said the plants will grow faster.

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Using soil is better.
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tagged, looking forward to your updates.
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I will photo update weekly. I estimate it will take over 2 months.
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I've heard that before as well but it is simply not true. See my tank journal in my signature.

> Listed nutrients on the from of the bag
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I love Eco-Complete and would recommend it to anyone. It a wonderful substrate and I have had nothing but positive results.

I will say however, Eco-Complete does not grow plaint like AquaSoil or Dirt but it does get the job done.


Eco complete and flourite have tons of nutrients in their makeup. The problem is 90% of it is IN the makeup not bioavailabe to the plants. The only nutrients available are on the first 5% of layers of ''rock'' plants ddont need much nutrients to grow and for the first month or so while roots are growing they will suck everything out they can and then u will be left with an inert substrate that needs supplementation
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Eco complete and flourite have tons of nutrients in their makeup. The problem is 90% of it is IN the makeup not bioavailabe to the plants. The only nutrients available are on the first 5% of layers of ''rock'' plants ddont need much nutrients to grow and for the first month or so while roots are growing they will suck everything out they can and then u will be left with an inert substrate that needs supplementation
Interesting, I never knew that. Thanks for weighing in Blazingwolf. Do you know where we all can read more about this?
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Its a standard fired clay substrate. It is much the same as terra cotta. Plants cant send there roots through the clay. Just the first small pores they attach to. After that the porous inner structure is too small to allow roots to reach, or for that matter water to pull nutrients out off.

If i were to make a clay pot, i could add in tons and tons of ammonia and phosphates and say that my pot would help grow any plant better than the competitors pot, but once the plant roots extract everything from the surface they can reach, the pot is still just a pot, but i can say its got 50000000 ppm of ammonia locked inside

This is prett much how flourite and eco complete work. The good news is they are able because of this to exchange cations allowing them to hold nutrients in the water, making them available for plantsr later on. So if u dont fertilize, when u feed and it gets broken down, and change water, the subsrate acts like a sponge and holds onto as much as it can thus maintaining consistent growth, this works out well in a low tech tank, but in a well fertilized tank, you'll never see this happen as plants can easily absorb nutrients from the water column
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That's so interesting...

Another thing is Eco-Complete last forever, especially if its absorbing nutrients like wolf has explained above.

Other substrates like aquasoil become lose and no good after a couple years. Well, so I've read...
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Eco is inert for the more details reasoning listed above. Still a good substrate and especially for low-light, low maintenance setups.
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Floating HC farm.

I’ve been growing HC for the past few months in a small container filled with about Ĺ inch of potting soil and just enough water to cover the plants. I use the containers you get when you buy olives at one of the olive bars they have in the grocery stores. It is maybe an inch and a half high and has about a three inches radius. With only this small amount of dirt and water I find that the containers float and so I have taken to floating them in the corners of my grow out tanks. Once a week or so I dump the excess water and replace it. With only a small distance between the light and the plants and almost no water they grow very well. Not only do they get good light but they don’t block any of the light from the rest of the aquarium. Just this morning I split one container into three and I probably could have made four or more. Rather than clipping the plants I just pull out clumps and plant them .
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Floating HC farm.

Iíve been growing HC for the past few months in a small container filled with about Ĺ inch of potting soil and just enough water to cover the plants. I use the containers you get when you buy olives at one of the olive bars they have in the grocery stores. It is maybe an inch and a half high and has about a three inches radius. With only this small amount of dirt and water I find that the containers float and so I have taken to floating them in the corners of my grow out tanks. Once a week or so I dump the excess water and replace it. With only a small distance between the light and the plants and almost no water they grow very well. Not only do they get good light but they donít block any of the light from the rest of the aquarium. Just this morning I split one container into three and I probably could have made four or more. Rather than clipping the plants I just pull out clumps and plant them .
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Here are two of them . The first one is floating. The second one is actually sitting atop a rock.
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Cool, what are your plans for the plants in the trays?
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