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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 01-12-2010, 11:39 PM Thread Starter
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Well i added 4 cichlids to my tank yesterday. They are my first fish. Im not sure what kind they are, but my hunch is african. I already had a plant in the tank but i noticed today that there are lots of little tiny holes developing on the leaves of the plant. Not sure what this is from. The pet store ive been going to doesnt have a clue so i really dont know the classification of anything in my tank. The good news is that the fish get along great and are already feeding and like the plants. The taller plant is the one with the promblem. Someone suggested snails but i dont think that is the problem. possibly the additives i added in for the cichilds.

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The holes appearing in the leaves in the lower picture are known as "drowning houseplant" disease.
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Yep those are african cichlids. I think they're Orange Zebras, Metriaclima estherae. They found in Lake Malawi. They do best in hard high PH water (PH 8ish). They will get quite aggressive. Also they will eventually start destroying your plants.
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The holes appearing in the leaves in the lower picture are known as "drowning houseplant" disease.
Yup, none of those plants are aquatic.

And looks to me like you've got some juvie Yellow Labs.
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African cichlids and plants just rarely works. I have SA cichlids(mids, convict, firemouth) and do ok... Also, the requirements of housing African cichlids is a bit more complicated. Malawi cichlids need groups, will easily hybridize, etc. They will eventually destroy your plants.
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lolz, i have africans in my tank, but tanganiyka is less plant aggressive i think...
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lolz, i have africans in my tank, but tanganiyka is less plant aggressive i think...
Very much so. Malawi cichlids are notorious for destroying plants.
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The holes appearing in the leaves in the lower picture are known as "drowning houseplant" disease.

I bought these from the petstore where they had at least two dozen of these doing well. i'm sure these are aquatic plants but have no idea what is wrong with them
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I bought these from the petstore where they had at least two dozen of these doing well. i'm sure these are aquatic plants but have no idea what is wrong with them
They're not aquatic is what's wrong with them. There's many terrestrial plants that can linger on for months before they finally croak.

The first one is commonly called "purple hedge." It would make a lovely hanging basket.

I've no idea what the other one is.

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hi there the plant in the second pic is a purple waffle and it is not a aquatic
plant i had them before and they will melt and slowly die off
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ok guys i guess its not aquatic idk how the pet store keeps them though
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ok guys i guess its not aquatic idk how the pet store keeps them though
Because they actually grow them emmersed, or completely out of water (the plant/fish farms). It's nearly a scam, which frankly I sometimes can't believe isn't charged as false advertising.

Most pet stores don't even know this, my lfs in nj had no idea.. and didn't believe me until i showed the owner multiple websites.

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I keep a long list of aquatic plants on my Ipod and my Iphone that I access if I have any questions about whether a plant is true aquatic or not. I find way to many are not aquatic
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ok guys i guess its not aquatic idk how the pet store keeps them though
They don't keep them, they sell them to uneducated consumers.

I don't know what's worse, selling land plants as aquatics, selling african cichlids without explaining what they are, or buying all this stuff without the first bit of research as to what you want to put in your tank.

Don't feel bad, its a lesson we all learned the hard way. It is a rare LFS that will give you the straight scoop. You have just learned that the place you bought this stuff from is not to be trusted. You should also learn that the LFS is a place to buy, not a place to shop.

You go in with a list of things you've researched. If you see something cool that's not on the list, you write down what it is, go on an internet forum and check it out. Sites that sell fish or plants can't be trusted either. When in doubt, wetwebmedia.com is probably the most trusted source for giviing good advice on the web.

Good luck, africans are very cool, I have a tank full of them, but no plants in it. You need to decide which you like better.

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They don't keep them, they sell them to uneducated consumers.

I don't know what's worse, selling land plants as aquatics, selling african cichlids without explaining what they are, or buying all this stuff without the first bit of research as to what you want to put in your tank.

Don't feel bad, its a lesson we all learned the hard way. It is a rare LFS that will give you the straight scoop. You have just learned that the place you bought this stuff from is not to be trusted. You should also learn that the LFS is a place to buy, not a place to shop.

You go in with a list of things you've researched. If you see something cool that's not on the list, you write down what it is, go on an internet forum and check it out. Sites that sell fish or plants can't be trusted either. When in doubt, is probably the most trusted source for giviing good advice on the web.

Good luck, africans are very cool, I have a tank full of them, but no plants in it. You need to decide which you like better.
thanks for the info. i needed to hear it straight. i might start looking for a larger tank on craigslist for my chichilds (i know they will outgrow the 10gal) and keep the 10gal for plants. I cant believe this store. they really have no clue. its my fault though for falling for their nonsense
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