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Can you contact the person who sold the seeds and find out exactly how they were harvested?
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Can you contact the person who sold the seeds and find out exactly how they were harvested?
I tried but no response :/
Maybe dont wanna reveal the secrets?
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You mean seeds? Whenever I will have them..
The plants may die after they have flowered or they might not. They might go dormant maybe. I dont know whats gonna happen to them.
If I will have seeds, I will be glad to share it with you all.
I meant sell off a plant or two to someone who can grow em in case they were to die to keep the species in the USA. Does this erio not split?


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in order for plants to set seed they need to they need to be pollinated by another in order to fertilise the flower.. If the seeds you got are from the same plant, this may not be possible as plants generally have defensive mechanisms against inbreeding.

So you may only be able to reproduce the plant via vegetative means. i.e. When val sends a runner and sprouts a "new" plant, which is essentially a clone of the original.

Best to try and figure out how you can pollinate it before you go pulling the flower apart to minimize loss.

Maybe try sourcing seeds or plants from 2 or 3 different places (hard, I know, with such a rare plant, but where there's a will there's a way) and have them growing nearby and hope for the best?

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Grab a paint brush and brush each of the flower? Might as well give it a shot.

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I meant sell off a plant or two to someone who can grow em in case they were to die to keep the species in the USA. Does this erio not split?
Who can grow them? I thought I was. LOL.
I don't have any problem in sharing them. Its just that they are flowering and I don't think a plant that small will be able to put in enough energy to adapt to a new place if replanted. Flowers suck up all their energy.
Not all erios split. After keeping around 12-13 species, I have experienced that the erios with flat leaves (parkeri/ aquaticum), don't have a "heart" and split. The erios that have a "heart" needs to be cut through the heart. Now this little one.. I dont know.
Some erios also produce runners but I doubt on this one.

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in order for plants to set seed they need to they need to be pollinated by another in order to fertilise the flower.. If the seeds you got are from the same plant, this may not be possible as plants generally have defensive mechanisms against inbreeding.

So you may only be able to reproduce the plant via vegetative means. i.e. When val sends a runner and sprouts a "new" plant, which is essentially a clone of the original.

Best to try and figure out how you can pollinate it before you go pulling the flower apart to minimize loss.

Maybe try sourcing seeds or plants from 2 or 3 different places (hard, I know, with such a rare plant, but where there's a will there's a way) and have them growing nearby and hope for the best?

Best of luck mate
You are absolutely right. Pollination needs to take place. You may be right about the inbreeding concept but I am not too sure on that.
I am glad that they all are flowering at the same time. There would be a lot of pollen to fertilize each other B)
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Grab a paint brush and brush each of the flower? Might as well give it a shot.
Hahaha.. That's another nice idea. It wont hurt I guess. The flower buds are taking so long to grow and open up. Once they are open. I will do this.
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Some erios also produce runners but I doubt on this one.
Really?

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Do you have any photo's of the flowers? You might be able to artificially pollenate them with a q-tip that is stripped to a fine thread off the stick.

That being said, I don't know the anatomy of this plants flower. Some flowers are hermaphrodites and others require a male and female flower to pollenate. Some close up shots of each flower in bloom would help me determine this for you.
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Do you have any photo's of the flowers? You might be able to artificially pollenate them with a q-tip that is stripped to a fine thread off the stick.

That being said, I don't know the anatomy of this plants flower. Some flowers are hermaphrodites and others require a male and female flower to pollenate. Some close up shots of each flower in bloom would help me determine this for you.
Done deal. I will put on some extension tubes and will take some more closeup shots today.
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Really?
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Some erios with hearts will split by putting on babies. ..both cinereums and japan shiga have done this for me...best of luck. ..this is a toughy

Edit... when they have split by putting on babies they were young plants...never when they were adult plants

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Someone translate this please:
Reproductive type, pollination. Unisexual flowers present. Plants monoecious (usually), or dioecious (rarely). Female flowers without staminodes. Gynoecium of male flowers pistillodial to vestigial. Floral nectaries present (Eriocaulon), or absent (the rest). Nectar secretion in Eriocaulon, from the perianth (from the mouth or the inside of the perigone tube). Pollination anemophilous, or entomophilous.
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Looks like the flowers are generally hermaphrodites, which means they don't have male/female flowers. The wording is a little confusing since it says "monoecious (usually), or dioecious (rarely)" This seems like some broad information regarding Erio's since they can have both male and female flowers and some are hermaphroditic.

Photos of the specific flowers would be beneficial. If you have or know someone who is good with macro photography this is where it will pay off.
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