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post #31 of 62 (permalink) Old 11-28-2007, 07:41 PM
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I can now 100% confirm that AQMagic's Fissidens splachnobryoides will ONLY grow immersed while out of contact with standing water, and is probably useful for a high humidity Paludarium, not submerged in any aquarium.

When I took this established sample and completely submerged it in my aquarium, within a week the plant mat detached and floated away from the wood surface. this is why AQMagic's ebaY photo shows it sandwitched between mesh like Pellia, since the live plant roots itself to the dark dead portion underniegh, so it will never truely attach to anything.

I already knew it would not GROW immersed, but to see it start deteriorating and detaching like that has put the last nail in this coffin.

his auction states it "Able to withstand a great variety of water conditions" when in truth it cannot thrive in the submerged environment like is pictured as we allege he keeps it prior to sale, which is also untrue since I never got my portions from him in a mesh sandwich, only loose in a baggie.

from now on I will email everyone I see bidding on this item until I see AQMagic changes the wording in his auction, to inform the buyer of it's true Paludarium only application, so they won't be decieved into wasting their time and money as so many here have done till now





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post #32 of 62 (permalink) Old 11-28-2007, 10:59 PM
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Exactly what I figured, looks very nice when grown correctly though.

As for the moss I sent you.

The willow is the only species of truly aquatic moss in the world (there are other types of willow though, as I'm sure you know, that is some type of gigantea which basically means big triangle shaped fronds) and in my opinion are hardest to care for. My large portion isn't doing well at all, but I have a small portion about the size I sent you that is doing OK-Well somewhere in between that.

Spiky and stringy moss will grow fine in that condition. What Stringy moss is known for is in my opinion somewhat inaccurate and it can be difficult to keep it from branching out lots when its happy!

I will be making some moss ropes I believe when I take out all the Crap thats in my 55g until I aquascape it. They are a very good idea! Very similar to moss Popsicles that one of the big plant growers use in Asia.

Good work though!
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PS. I may be setting up an emmersed setup for HC and DHG this winter, will you be keeping some of the moss you have growing emmersed? If not I would be interested in getting some before you dispose of it.

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it's a shame I killed off my willow, but the few fronds bouncing back look nice.
I think they will do well in this moss tank of mine, it will just take a few Months.
In a Month I will post my Stringy and Spiky rope photos for all of you to enjoy.
Thus far they are coming in much more distinctly than other moss I've tried.

when I finally have enough Zipper for you, I'll gladly include a pinch of Splach.

I'm using foam sheeting to lift it far out of the water without the wood losing
contact so it can stay moist from proximity to the water surface. notice the
upper left corner piece. that was the sample that died while submerged

I wrote AQMagic to get the ID of that first moss he sent me by accident,
(see post #2) but he was unable or unwilling to tell me what it was. That's a
shame since I love the way it grows, even if it was just another immersed moss.

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Wow! That is some research Spypet. Its a shame that is not an aquatic moss. At least I didnt spend the money and get it in and be disappointed. Thanks for the info!

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thanks for the encouragement. truth be told, while I'm annoyed at AQMagic and his repeated denials that his moss dies submerged, I'm actually frustrated with myself even more. you see all my moss inquiries, moss rope projects, whatever, are fueled by a desire to achieve a very specific effect in a fish tank project I dream of doing one day. I'm trying to find something that;
  • naturally stays attached
  • evenly distributed growth
  • stays short without trimming
  • undemanding water conditions,
  • does not require very high light
  • and of course, thrives submerged.
so I guess it's back to the drawing board... *sigh*

and if anyone suggests I should just grow Cladophora algae, $@!(%#

I'm playing with a Plagiomnium affine like plant someone sent me from Canada,
that's doing OK submerged, but it's too early to know if its growth is pleasing
esthetically or not. as any moss grower will tell you, it takes a lot of patience
for your moss to fill out into it's true display potential.

I want to try Marimo Cladophora, but every thing I've read about it tells me the
moment I break them apart and apply to a porous surface, they'll simply try to
ball up again, so I'll just have lot's of little BB's of Marimo Clado instead of the
carpet coating effect that I'm looking for.
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spy, what is wrong with normal fissidens (fontanus)? It satisfies all those conditions in my experience except trimming (but don't all plants require trimming?!?).
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I want something that spreads out, not grows out.
it can get very bushy with browning undergrowth.
f.fontanus would be a good compromise if I can't
find what I really want, that's why now I'm growing
it more horizontally than vertically to see if it helps,
and will trim and tame it to prevent that browning.

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I want something that spreads out, not grows out.
it can get very bushy with browning undergrowth.
f.fontanus would be a good compromise if I can't
find what I really want, that's why now I'm growing
it more horizontally than vertically to see if it helps,
and will trim and tame it to prevent that browning.

have you considered mini pellia?
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have you considered mini pellia?
I appreciate that this system would work well for pellia and subwassertang,
but I'm much more interested in plants that attach naturally, not float away.
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post #40 of 62 (permalink) Old 12-11-2007, 01:14 PM
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as if Splach moss didn't have enough nails in it's coffin;
not only won't it survive submerged, but it seems it won't
survive immersed either unless kept in very humid tank air.
notice the black melted spots on these two samples from
being exposed to dry room air, even though water is only
millimeters away. I'm now going to move them back to a
lower light tank while floating to see if they can recover.

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That is discouraging. Hope you have started other projects or will soon. I love to read your trials.
How is your Zipper doing?
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post #42 of 62 (permalink) Old 12-13-2007, 12:32 AM
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I took the Splach moss I recovered from a brown
goo to an immersed growing sample, and slipped
it inside this AQMagic provided mesh envelope.
(after the Zipper moss they sent dissolved)
Now submerged, I wonder how quick it will take
to turn back into brown goo... I give it 2 weeks.

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here we are 4 weeks later. it seems something
is thriving despite being immersed. perhaps it
grows immersed if allowed to acclimate enough.
shame I don't have a compressed Co2 tank or
I might be seeing better results by now
I've only had this crap for 5 Months now...

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Mine is sending up shoots also but not a formed as yours. So I am not sure what it actually is. Yes this is a pain for being so long in the process. I don't have C02 either.
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