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Dwarf Sag vs. Micro Sword

Hi All

I'm wondering about foreground grass. Right now, I have a few samples of sagittaria (dwarf) subulata for grass but I'm curious about the micro sword grass I've seen pictured in tanks on here

is the micro sword easier & faster to cultivate? experiences?

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I think the fastest growing plant I have had is sag. Literally like a weed on steroids. I have the red form of microsword, and it took about 2 weeks before it also began to spread like a weed. Due to the thickness of the sag, it looked like it spread faster, but that could (possibly) not be the case.


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I have 130W over my 50 and I couldn't grow Micro-sword for the life of me. Some people say they can do it in that little of light, but not I. Dwarf sag on the othe hand, I had a hard time controlling its fast growth. I would start with the Sag and if you like that, but think it gets to big, try some pygmy chain sword. It is similar to Dwarf Sag, but a bit smaller.
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Have the opposite problem. Dwarf sag won't grow for me, but other grasses do great for some reason (hairgrass, dwarf hairgrass, Lilaeopsis novae zelandiae). I still have the same dwarf sag that I started with, but no growth or runners from it at all.

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Ibn, that is like complaining about getting a 99 out of 100 on a test . I wish I had your success.
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Thanks, but I've never grown a carpet of dwarf sag before and it would be something different. It's growing at the same rate as the lone Crypt. parva that's in there...basically, not going anywhere.

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my dwarf sag is also slow going, but only a few weeks since planted
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My Sags need to STOP ! jeezus them things are down right uncontrolable...I have very soft water here in CT... could that be the factor here ?
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are yous getting tall or just sending out lots of runners. Once mine takes off, I hope for runners with lots of carpet plants rather than height.
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Its strange, I have some that are close to 6' tall but most are in the 2" range with runners galore. It took them close to two weeks and I was kinda scratchin my head as to why they were not spreading or even growing and then all of a sudden they took off.
Now they are close to irritatingly fast growing.
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I have the red form of microsword
Red microsword? I have never seen that! I would love a photo. Are you sure you don't have Chain sword (Echinodorus tenellus)?

My dwarf sags languished for a while, and then suddenly took off. I was surprised, because they always seem to do well.

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Geez, Buck. Those sound like dwarf sags I used to have. Then again, mine didn't quite hit 6 *feet* ! When I first put in sags, they took a while to take hold. But once they did, they really took off and started hiding most everything I considered to be a mid-ground plant. Not sure why mine wouldn't stay very low. FWIW, my KH~7 and GH~12.

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Red microsword? I have never seen that! I would love a photo. Are you sure you don't have Chain sword (Echinodorus tenellus)?
The actual name is Echinodorus microtenellus var red. When the conditions are right the blades are red to pink otherwise green. Maybe I misread his question. I was assuming micro tenellus not lilieopsis(sp?).


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I have heard of the Echinodorus tenellus that has a red color, but I have never heard of a Echinodorus microtenellus v. red. or a Echinodorus microtenellus. If you have a link to this plant, please post it for me! i searched, but couldn't find one

Don't mean to get on a rant, but it does seem like we all have been creating some new plant varieties lately! I just want us to keep things by the book and let the botanists name new plants and varieties.

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I have heard of the Echinodorus tenellus that has a red color, but I have never heard of a Echinodorus microtenellus v. red. or a Echinodorus microtenellus. If you have a link to this plant, please post it for me! i searched, but couldn't find one
The appropriate name that I found is "micro" leaf tenellus (Spring 2000 Planted Aquaria magazine. It is an article written by Neil Frank on Chain Sword Plants: History and Nomenclatural Perspectives. It is actuall one of my favorite articles. I do not want to call it tenellus since people call every chain sword that they see tenellus. It also appears to be called Echinodorus tenellus, micro leaf variety. I added the red, since I have also seen this plant in green (never turning red).


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