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Syngonanthus sp. PASSION

Here I will collect and try to grow my favorite genus of plants: syngonanthus. Please enjoy pictures and very little information if any.
Along with in the tank will probably be erios and toninas' which I'll try and phase out to another tank.
I hope to find other syngonanthus enthusiasts out there as passionate as i am about them.
To begin, I have bought belem
Tank just started today and i hope to collect more species. Species on the way come wed or thurs are rio negro giant, manaus, madeira, and lago grande
plants pictured were just received today so they look green but off, lets see how badly i can damage or kill them or grow them




tonina lotus blossom


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Lol already showing off Dennis!?!
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Lol already showing off Dennis!?!
Not until i can grow that sob uaupes


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Erio's asami oshima and heimesilata here are extremely deficient from the get go. I also have this in my belem as well
My guess is its an iron deficiency
This is mainly from the africana soil being of way less nutrient content as its counterpart amazonia. Ferts are always easy or said easy, i believe it, so I chose the buffer of the substrate over the lesser nutrient contents



Bump: These just received:
syngonanthus rio negro giant, syngonanthus lago grande, syngonanthus madeira, syngonanthus manaus

tonina jurua, ludwigia white(will quickly phase out of this tank) mayaca iquitos (will quickly phase out of this tank) erio polaris, buce moss, fissidens splach

lago's


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syngonanthus rio negro giant


eriocaulon polaris


buce moss newly tied
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Problematico
problems already....
I am obsessive and hellbent on growing these plants. I've reached out to people for solutions with no avail. I will figure out this problem before the plant/s die out.

Pics do not do justice...
melting x 1 manaus


whitening and holes





guesses, iron deficiency (dosed two straight days of ferrous gluconate mixed in solution of ro water, may need to add vinegar), mn deficiency, calcium deficiency, potassium deficiency
I will find out what happened, this is after adding fertilizers, i mean they were white from the get go, but normal, not like this before
guess from another is plants are still acclimating but i highly doubt it, seems they acclimated from the get go with 95% ro and high co2 which speeds things up

These plants are my life now LOL
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S. belem perking up


Got some erios and bv in

cute little sea urchin


rio negro giants are still doing poorly and if not worse
did a major water change today and will dose miller microplex tomorrow



another problem presented itself to me as well, see the curling leaves?
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I removed 3 Rio negros giants today. All whitish centers, 2 I put emerged and one in a separate tank. Separate tank I can test the ferts I bought and emergent I can try to recover them. This will see if my fertilizers are bad or I made a bad batch as my scale is off. My main tank, this tank, will get just urea and iron chelate which I've had for quite awhile. Manaus melting will probably get moved too but I also want to see if it can recover so I'll move one out of 2 melting. Rest of the tank is so far so good. The whitening hit me as a hella of surprise as I've never had this problem before, I've had melting but never whitening. Will keep updating until the tank goes to shiz.
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Glad to see you are back! Looks like you've stepped it up too!

What's you water parameters like? Have you asked Dennis or Tom?
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Glad to see you are back! Looks like you've stepped it up too!

What's you water parameters like? Have you asked Dennis or Tom?
Thankk you very much, Yes I'm going hardcore into the game to obsession.
Roughly about 97% to 98% Pure Ro water now since water change. PH buffer of africana last time i heard was 5.5-5.8, so given a 1 point drop or more, I'd say my ph is around higher 4s, I'm sure i got the science wrong on this one. I do not have test kits to measure my parameters really. Last time i checked today my tds was at 30. First start of the set up was 40 range, I've gotten it down to the 20 range so I'm guessing with fertilization moves it up. One thing I'm sure is that its acidic and soft. I've got two sources of co2 pumping in, one via atomizer and one via cerges reactor. the atomizer is on 24/7. If i knew more about my water parameters I'd give you them, but that about sums it up. RO straight out i believe is 7.0 pH and a definite 0 tds. KH i do not know. GH I do not know

I asked Tom and he wasn't sure. And I am Dennis silly

All other plants are doing well, except melting which i already received as is on 3-4 plants, and the tonina leaves curling, other than that I've been observing them daily and closely and don't see much problems except lighter tops which cure overnight and then lights on same dealio.

here is the tank now, minus mayaca iquitos, ludwigia white, x 2 manaus, x 3 giants which have been transferred

ps. the buce moss is dying out too



ya thats one of the giants i took away


more lotus blossom and lago grande coming along with secret species which i am sure i will kill, but i keep trying them anyways....
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I believe now, yes I believe in micro toxicity. An experienced hobbyist explained the situation going on in my tank perfectly. It was when i was dosing the ferrous gluconate that this problem/issue came up with the rio negro giants.[censored]

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These symptoms look a like micro toxicity to me. Each species of plant is acting a little differently which is not something you see in a deficiency situation (all plants act very similarly and develop damage in the same locations in roughly the same timeframe). Your plants are showing symptoms in old and new leaves and not acting together which is consistent with a toxin. Toxicities happen much faster than deficiencies and all over the plant because the entire surface is being exposed and damaged at the same time.
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anything that is not chelated will cause issue if dosed in big amount
edta, dtpa etc will be less toxic because they are chelated
i only dosed .2 ppm of ferrous within two days, day 1 symptoms arrived, day 2 symptoms worsen

only when i stopped the ferrous, did i get better results, this is not conclusive but will update if things get better. Here's a mind warp, next day I dosed 1ppm iron chelate and things seemed better except the rio negro giants, which didn't get worse but stayed the same.

I've got two plants left in the tank with the disease, i stopped dosing chelate this day will probably follow with a water change soon enough.
Will keep updated:

picture does not do justice to the white parts

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You can tell the roots are different in these two pictures, unless the plant morphed of some sort I think that this can confirm that the two species are different, both have been in the tank the same timeframe. Madeira is bushier and has a little bit of different crown or has that morph look. But I am almost assured due to root structures that manaus and madeira are different species.

all in the roots
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MOdeRatORS how do i embed youtube videos?


Wanna see a good pearling session? The camera doesn't pick it up all the way but you get the point here. This is before any water change with the filter turned off. I'm surprised I'm getting so much.



[video=youtube;IxPfwbvFQGE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPfwbvFQGE[/video]

[video=youtube;IxPfwbvFQGE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPfwbvFQGE[/video]


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Wanna see a good pearling session? The camera doesn't pick it up all the way but you get the point here. This is before any water change with the filter turned off. I'm surprised I'm getting so much.



[video=youtube;IxPfwbvFQGE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPfwbvFQGE[/video]

[video=youtube;IxPfwbvFQGE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxPfwbvFQGE[/video]
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