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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 06-30-2014, 11:47 PM Thread Starter
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hi, I have a 180 gallon tank I am setting up and I got pool filter sand for substrate. my Q is if It's possible to get my plants to flourish in this substrate wile adding osmocote root tabs? I just want to make sure that it wont be a huge limit on how big and green I can grow all my plants. I have a musk turtle in there so I cant put dirt under the sand.

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the reason I thought sand would do ok is because there is a BEUTIFUL tank on here that uses PFS. to find that tank click "your tanks", then click 126 gallon+ and on page 10 there are two ten foot tanks that use it. do you think I could get the plants to grow that well in sand with root tabs?

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could I throw some safeTsorb around the roots of each plant? would that help?

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hellooooooooooooooow, is anyone home?

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you ever had plants with your turtle?
he might chew on them
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yea I have tried him with plants he doesn't touch them. he is a musk/mud turtle so he is supposed to be a carnivore unlike the sliders and maps anyway.

what do you think about the sand?

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If you use sand with plants that need to be buried, you definitely need root tabs.

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no, definitely going to use root tabs but I want to make sure the tank will be healthy and flourishing. I don't want sand to make the plants grow and look like crap.

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You may also want to weigh the plants down. The turtle may dig and send the plants floating. You could put gravel/rocks around the base of the plants on top of the sand to deter the turtle from digging there.

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If you want a substrate that has some CEC, you might want to try
Flourite Black Sand Flourite Black Sand
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Onyx Sand Onyx Sand
Other option is to layer it with a plant substrate on the bottom and apply regular sand on top.
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Sand will be fine with root tabs under any heavy root feeders, like swords, crypts, etc.
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post #13 of 23 (permalink) Old 07-01-2014, 10:50 AM
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My first planted tank was a 55g with pfs. Heavily planted, no root tabs, but was also decently stocked with geophagus cichlids, and tetras, and plecos, and I rarely vacuumed to allow waste to break down into the sand, and be absorbed into the roots. I did use flourish though. I also think the pfs is a decent light reflector compared to other substrate options.

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I already have the pfs. would it help to get a bag of safeTsorb and put some around the bases of the plants?

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I think you'll do just fine with just sand. I wouldn't waste anything else on a turtle tank. Not that it's a waste, but If you add safeTsorb and the turtle happens to uproot a plant it'll make a total mess.
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