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Tahitian Moon Sand or Eco Complete?

After a post on what colour i wanted for my substrate my question now is tahitian moon sand or eco complete? I've heard good reviews for both.

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Whichever looks better to you. They can both work fine
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but whats better is what i want to know. (i think i might go with tahitian moon sand because it's cheeper)

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TMS is inert- won't provide any nutrients at all to the plants.

Eco however has a good nutrient content for a substrate.

I'm personally probably going to swap out my unopened bags of Eco for Fluorite, however; CaribSea has been having some product quality issues and the stuff in my bags doesn't look like it should IMO.

I'd go with Colorquartz over TMS any day. Much cheaper. Not sure if you can get that in Canada, though?

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don't know i'll check on ebay lol.

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Better in what sense? There are lots of factors people consider important when deciding on substrate. You can grow plants just as well with inert substrate as you can with fortified substrates if you dose the water column. Plants can take in nutrients from leaves, as well as roots. If cost is important to you, then the cheaper substrate may be "better" for you.
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I've never seen it on Ebay.

www.3M.com and you need to put in your location to see if there's a pool supply company near you that carries it.

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it "probably" will if i can get it lol.

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I prefer TMS over Eco simply for the color really. TMS is black, where Eco is more of a gray color. I just think that the black TMS really makes the plants & shrimp stand out in the tank.

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i don't particularly like the new eco and sort of interested in to the black Fluorite sand and would like to try that out some time

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...interested in to the black Fluorite sand and would like to try that out some time
I would definitely go with the black fluorite sand. It has the same grain size as Seachem Onyx Sand but the color is better than SOS and unlike SOS it won't buffer the water to a higher PH(IME, using SOS did not negatively effect my fish or plants despite any buffering, perhaps because I used a dusting of peat underneath it).

Here is what I found. I am not saying that you will find the same thing. I set up two tanks. One at home and one at work. In one I used a cap of Tahitian Moon sand over leonardite, mulm, and peat moss and in the other I used a cap of Seachem Onyx Sand over leonardite, mulm, and peat moss. The plants and lighting in both tank was the same, and excel was used as a carbon source. Both tanks got a pinch of phosphates, nitrates, potassium, and seachem Equilibrium with weekly water changes.

Plants grow well in both tanks and continue to do so, but seem to be doing a little better in the tank with the Seachem Onyx Sand. The tank with the Tahitian Moon Sand developed diatom algae over the same period, but the one with the SOS did not. No big deal. I threw in a Amano Shrimp in the tank with the Tahitian Moon Sand, and he made short work of the diatom algae within a few days. My catfish also develped barbell erosion in the tank with the Tahitian Moon Sand, but I am not sure if the Tahitian Moon Sand caused this as some as that barbell erosion in catfish results from bacterial infections. Plus, that catfish was pushing 9 years, so he may have died regardless.

Tom Barr seems to like Fluorite Black Sand and he has tested many substrates and set up many tanks. If I were confronted with the choices, I would go Fluorite Black Sand.
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Thanks Homer. I'm using eco know but mot completely satisfied with it I'm going to have to brake down my tank at the end of the school year and take it back home so i think I'll try the Fluorite Sand then.

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SS-Honestly I would say go with TMS. Plants grow well in sand plus it looks nicer IMO. And dosing the water column would be just as suitable for most plants.
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Thanks Homer. I'm using eco know but mot completely satisfied with it I'm going to have to brake down my tank at the end of the school year and take it back home so i think I'll try the Fluorite Sand then.
You're welcome. Big Als seems to have a good price on Fluorite Black Sand.
http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...er=&pageLimit=

I am not sure what they charge for shipping. But if shipping charges are reasonable, then the $15.99 for 7 kg bag may still be reasonable. It would probably still end up less costwise than the Eco-Complete and perhaps less than or same as the Tahitian Moon Sand. Even for those substrates, you still likely pay the shipping charges by weight.
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I would go with Eco because its meant for planted tanks.
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