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post #46 of 76 (permalink) Old 10-19-2013, 06:22 AM
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myhui, use tap for the 1st 1-2 months for the water changes if you use the ADA. Then use the RO/mix/blend thereafter.

You are just wasting the RO water otherwise for the start up phase.
I see. Thanks Tom. I just started reading your book, and have signed up for your paid forum over on the Barr Report under the same user name.

Here are two videos taken a week apart:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mmyhui/videos

The newer video doesn't look good, and now there are even fewer plants in the tank since some have died and I've had to remove them. I'm not going to add fish yet, if ever, since ammonia level is still too high, plus the plants aren't doing well.

Did I make an irreversible mistake by mixing the ADA Amazonia soil with their Power Sand at the start? (4 parts soil, 1 part sand) The plants aren't growing roots, and I suspect the soil is just too loose due to the sand in between the soil.

The tank gets 3 hours of direct sunlight every day. Is that far too much for a low tech tank still in the early stages of cycling and with not enough plants (since some plants died, not because I didn't start off with enough plants at the beginning) and no fish, hence no waste for plants to absorb?

I've started doing 1/3 water changes bi-weekly, using my own RO water. I hope I can rescue this tank, and eventually get it ready for fish.

I have ordered a bag of crushed oyster shells and plan to sprinkle them into the soil.

I'll do what I can to rescue this tank, unless you tell me the soil is simply no good since it's mixed with too much sand. At the same time, I'll start growing my Hemianthus Callitrichoides "mats" based on your thread back in 2008 on an empty acrylic tank in the same location, and eventually that'll be my main tank and I'll transfer what I can from this 60-P to there.
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post #47 of 76 (permalink) Old 11-12-2013, 07:58 PM
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Any updates on the soil Tom?
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The plants may not have done well due to the new aquasoil leaching and burning the roots. a typical sign of this is seeing crypts melt. your amazon swords are exhibiting yellowing which may show sign of iron deficiency.

There's no problem mixing powersand and aquasoil as its meant to be capped. Over time with replanting and such it will tend to break through the cap. Why do you suspect a problem associated with this combination?

There a lot of algae growing on the glass so either the light intensity or duration is also a problem. There's quite a few things that need adjustment in this tank.

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I see. Thanks Tom. I just started reading your book, and have signed up for your paid forum over on the Barr Report under the same user name.

Here are two videos taken a week apart:

http://www.youtube.com/user/mmyhui/videos

The newer video doesn't look good, and now there are even fewer plants in the tank since some have died and I've had to remove them. I'm not going to add fish yet, if ever, since ammonia level is still too high, plus the plants aren't doing well.

Did I make an irreversible mistake by mixing the ADA Amazonia soil with their Power Sand at the start? (4 parts soil, 1 part sand) The plants aren't growing roots, and I suspect the soil is just too loose due to the sand in between the soil.

The tank gets 3 hours of direct sunlight every day. Is that far too much for a low tech tank still in the early stages of cycling and with not enough plants (since some plants died, not because I didn't start off with enough plants at the beginning) and no fish, hence no waste for plants to absorb?

I've started doing 1/3 water changes bi-weekly, using my own RO water. I hope I can rescue this tank, and eventually get it ready for fish.

I have ordered a bag of crushed oyster shells and plan to sprinkle them into the soil.

I'll do what I can to rescue this tank, unless you tell me the soil is simply no good since it's mixed with too much sand. At the same time, I'll start growing my Hemianthus Callitrichoides "mats" based on your thread back in 2008 on an empty acrylic tank in the same location, and eventually that'll be my main tank and I'll transfer what I can from this 60-P to there.

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Yo, Tom This is way off subject, but I noticed you posted so I thought I would catch your attention. I have someone telling me that, Co2, lighting, ferts are not really the underlying reasons behind algae control. They said, " Good plant growth suppresses the algae, but it isn't really the plant growth doing it." So some underlying factor that is really doing it? They said we focus way too much on Co2,lighting and ferts and not enough on water movement and filtration. They said those are the real factors in algae control and that algae shouldn't be seen as the enemy. Which I don't believe it is. All of the methods we use to keep algae at bay are supposedly the superficial ways and not really addressing the true reason on how to keep it at bay or why it is being kept at bay. I know you are an algae expert so is this true? Some of it not all of it. Any articles that you could point me towards. Ecology/carbon cycle/bacteria etc... The more in depth and scientific the better. I am searching for the truth. Thanks, Dave.





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I've redone so many ADA AS tanks and I can tell you, this stuff is far better and makes MUCH less mess if you redo or reuse anything. Clarity is better etc.
If you uproot, you do not get nearly as much haze afterwards. I've tried many tricks to avoid the haze and the muck, but the Up Aqua stuff has not had even 1/4 the issues.

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^ I read that too, it's more focus on the beneficial bacteria. Like having a really good colony of them.

It's a long read, yeah.



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Any updates on the soil Tom?
You can get the soil now through www.greenleafaquariums.com
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I'm having trouble finding it on their website. What's it listed under?
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search soil on their home page.

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It's pretty costly unfortunately.
As much if not more than ADA.
Till that's addressed, it's going to be tough to sell.

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I had been holding out for this for some time. It ends up being within a few dollars with shipping between Up Aqua Sand from GLA and Aqual Soil from AFA for 3-5 bags. I also live in Ohio so shipping from AFA is ridiculous.

The UP Aqua Sand is 5 kg and the Aqua Soil is 9 liters, so I was wondering which would provide more coverage as they are measuring weight vs volume.
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GreenLeaf would do us a big favor if they would put the volume of soil in each 5 kg bag on their website. We use substrate by volume, not by weight.

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GreenLeaf would do us a big favor if they would put the volume of soil in each 5 kg bag on their website. We use substrate by volume, not by weight.
A bag of Aqua Sand is about 8-9 liters. It isn't labeled that but that is about what it comes out to.
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GreenLeaf would do us a big favor if they would put the volume of soil in each 5 kg bag on their website. We use substrate by volume, not by weight.

It is on their website...."Size: 9L, 22lbs"

http://greenleafaquariums.com/plante...substrate.html


Although the item is still listed as out of stock
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It looks better than ADA AS.

If the price is less than ADA AS, then you have something, but if it's near 39.99 for 9 liter volume..........

I can weigh both bags and measure the volume also, I have bags of each sitting here.

It looks like the Mr Aqua is less than the ADA AS 9 liter bag.

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It is on their website...."Size: 9L, 22lbs"

http://greenleafaquariums.com/plante...substrate.html


Although the item is still listed as out of stock
That doesn't make sense, because 22 lb is almost 10 kg.

Trying to do research on how much 9L of ADA AS weighs and it's hard to find something conclusive, though most of what I found was significantly more than 5kg.


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