I never had either. I didn't know what was going on until I googled it. Sorry for the bad cell pic. It's facing up toward the light so I got really bad glare without the flash on. This plant has doubled in size since adding excel daily.
46 Bow Front Planted
Eheim 2217 & 2236, 2-39wt T5 bulbs (10,000), 72-75*
Pristella tetras, cardinal tetra, amano shirmp, bamboo shrimp, nerite snails, assassin snails and red cherry shrimp.