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post #31 of 50 (permalink) Old 11-22-2012, 04:12 AM
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Well so far, as you guys said, the mosses seem to be taking it well. The Spiro, BBA, GDA/GSA, and hair algae seem to be taking it rough already. I really didnt expect this stuff to kill Blanket Clado. I am going to wait the recommended 3 days, then im going to nuke the crap out of the mosses and Clado and see what it takes to kill them. Any suggestions on a starting overdose amount? Tom says he spot treated, then refilled the tank and the moss didnt die so im guessing it will take alot. 5X the recommended amout to start?
Cladophora is relatively easy if you can get at it, but if it's infested the moss, you might as well treat it like a Riccia infestation............pick pick pick.
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Any suggestions on a starting overdose amount? 5X the recommended amout to start?
I would Not recommend it at all, you will kill many things, it is a herbicide actually, but is selective at lower dosages to algae.

So you will kill all the inverts and the fish, then the plants.

Wiser to give it more time, wait a week etc and then see.
More is not usually wise with these types of herbicides.
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I'm with Tom here remember that your tank is a closed system what goes in you have to take out, I recently just about melted my jungle Val's in my fight against BBA, it was a painful lesson to learn
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I'll add this here
i've done two doses of this, once before my water change, and once after. i've been dosing excel because my co2 distributer's compressor was down and i was without co2 for 2 weeks. needles to say, i got some hair and black algae on some leaves. i was lss concerned with black as it just needed to be trimmed off. the rotala looked pitiful and i didn't want to thrash that plant.

i missed a few spots of the black algaes when i did my water change this past time. tuesday was water day so i performed my trimmings, changed my filter pads after stirring up all the muck i could, chagned 80% water. added ferts, 3 ml of the tetra algaecide. and my co2 is back up and running. i continued my dosage of excel which was 5ml. lights were turned back to full on, instead of half (4 bulb fixture)

by thursday the few strands of black algae in the tank were red. TO MY UTTER SURPRISE. i'd love to get some samples to sewingalot. under bleach this stuff turns green. but its dead and red, and brittle at this point and rubs of with my fingernail now.

oh and my hair algae went POOF.. rotala is making a sharp recovery with lights and co2 back to where they should be
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This is good news to hear. I like that some folks are sharing their experiences. Its not like ALL of us havent experienced the algae plague at some point. Useful information like this is what helps others to keep their stuff free and clear of the plague. As has been stated, Its no substitute for good practice, but sometimes you need that quick fix or boost to get things going back in the right direction. With that being said, I am going to switch water in the cups and give it another 3 days of treatment. Pictures to come tonight.
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Well, generally, if you have hair algae, a minor annoyance= likely fairly good conditions for plants, but you should know what you did wrong/correct.

This will reduce the labor and the time to get rid of the annoyance.
So that has some real value with this type of algae.

Root causes always should be addressed since good plant growth is what we are ultimately after.

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Well, generally, if you have hair algae, a minor annoyance= likely fairly good conditions for plants, but you should know what you did wrong/correct.

This will reduce the labor and the time to get rid of the annoyance.
So that has some real value with this type of algae.

Root causes always should be addressed since good plant growth is what we are ultimately after.
100% Agreed!

After a 3 day treatment at regular dosage. I just started the second round of a 3 day treatment at regular dosage...

Spirogyra. Its dead but now I suspect I have the name of this one wrong



BBA. It looks like its on the downhill slide, but Excel will kill this stuff in 3 days.



Hair algae on Mini Rose Moss is untouched.



Blanket Clado looking slightly weaker(or wishful thinking)



Clado in Subwassertang holding strong.



I didnt put up the pics of the rest of the mosses that I shot the first round because they werent affected by the treatment at all. If one should start to show distress, ill post it up. Its nice to know some of these more delicate mosses arent affected by it. I was sure they would be. At least somewhat
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The hair algae on the rose moss should die in the next 2-3 days, I gave things a week.

This assumes that the tank is actually running good CO2 etc, in those pics, it looks like just cups and water and maybe some light.

It took a little longer, 5-7 days, after the 1st treatment, but it did all die in a similar non CO2 test tank.

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Yes, the tank this was pulled from has Co2. You are right, I didnt want to treat the whole tank with the possibility of melting down all the Mini Rose, so these are specimen containers(deli cups). Im not sure how much impact that will have versus a tanks conditions.

EDIT: In a tank I should still be dosing the ferts at regular dose right?

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I'd do everything the same in the planted tank. But I'd likely up to the CO2 progressively very slowly and obverse plants, fish carefully, never do this and then leave for the day etc.

Hit with 3 doses, one each day, it will kill any green hair algae.
It had no effect on Cladophora, which is about as close to moss and plants are anything we ever see.

I've only seen 100% kill for 3 dose for the same stuff on the rose moss.

If you catch the hair algae early on.....then 1 single dose and very few shrimp losses will occur.

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I want to caution you once again, Chad. I wouldn't go beyond this last series of treatments for awhile. The problems I had happened when I ignored the directions on the bottle and went past the 3 day dosing/once a week top off. I went daily for a week, and that's when I got into trouble. YMMV of course. I would also continue fertilizing as well.
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The bottle says 1 ml per 10g every three days. I am running it like this for now. I am going to up the dose to see if I can damage the Clado without damaging the moss later on, but its per directions for now. Its all experimental in cups for now. Theres no way I would risk the contents of ANY of my tanks for the price of a ten dollar bottle of evil.
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Now im impressed. I see some of the tips on the blanket Clado is clear. AKA, dead. I already feel like ive won the battle of getting my moss collection back in order. Saving it from hair algae was the biggest battle and this is just a bonus effect. Some of the MP is hard to separate from the Clado it got from being split up and tied on a dowel rod.
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I guess i should post a picture of some of this dead algae i just gotta find some
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Chad, I did a similar thing, same similar experiences........ the next step was a real live planted tank with fish and shrimps.

The shrimps took a real beating, did not all die, but.....I would not suggets anyone do it with shrimp they do not care to lose.

Same result for myself and most folks I've spoken to, the product has very consistent results.

Which is rather surprising given the poor history of snake oil algae cure. But it's pretty limited to green hair algae.

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