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55 Gal Cleanup and Algae Crew, please help

TANK: 55 Gallon, heavily planted, Rena Filstar XP3 Filter, C02

55 Gal. CLEANUP CREW
6 Clown Loaches
4 Corys

55 Gal. ALGAE CREW
AMANOS SHRIMP - 10
TIGER SHRIMP - 6
OTOS - 4
*** Are otos the same thing as plecos?


Please tell me what you think and would you change anything.

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Oto's are dwarf catfish.. they eat algae but lack the scraping power of a pleco like a bristlenose... When you keep any loaches by wary of your shrimp.. they "might" become food for them later in life..... I have kept shrimp with Clowns up to 3" though so I wouldnt worry for a while..

If you wanted something a little fun... You could do what I did in my 45 gallon tank... I have more aggressive loaches then Clowns in there... (Botia Modesta's, Yoyo Loaches, Skunk Loaches, Sun Loach and Tiger Loach), but for my Algae crew I have a small pleco, Red Tail Black Shark and an SAE... thats it....

In your case though.. I would go with your plan of the oto's.. and maybe a Bristlenose Pleco
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So a Red Tail Shark Eats algae?

Right now my clown loach is about 3 in., do you not recommend me getting any shrimp?

Also can I have all loaches and no cats (corys) for cleanup crew? Like will YO YO Loaches and the others get along with tetras and do a good job clenaing

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Loaches are just as good as Cory's for bottom cleanup... Yoyo's ar e bit nippier then CLown Loaches...

If you want to keep loaches AND tetra's stick to the more peaceful ones like Clowns, Zebra's, Polka Dot, Weather, Kuhli's...
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Red tail black sharks and rainbow sharks will eat some algae. Unfortunately, in my experience with them, they only graze on it, they can't clean it off the glass like a SAE or CAE. I don't think they can clean it as well as a SAE or CAE because of the structure of their mouths. I wouldn't rely on a red tail shark for algae cleanup, might help a little at best. Can be quite aggressive and territorial aswell.
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My Red Tailed Shark actually does quite a decent job on Alage on the leaves of plants and rocks, etc... I havent found them to be any more or less effective then an SAE on spot algae on the glass.. but SAE's certainly do a much better job on Brush algae (seeing as they are one of only a few fish that actually eat the stuff that isnt surprising).

They can be quite territoria, but usually wont be a problem as long as they have adequate hiding places.

Keep in mind I am refering to adults of both species (4-5"+)
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What are CAE's?

and what are some other good algae eaters...

I want a variety, some that can clean off the green algae, some that can get the brown algae, some that can get the hard algae that is stuck on the glass, etc

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lokobreed...A CAE is a Chinese algae eater. I would stay away from them they get more & more aggressive as they get bigger. They will attach to fish and suck the slime coating off. I had one kill my Gourami.

I would suggest getting 3-4 SAE's & 1 Pleco these will make a great addition to what you already have and should take care of any type of algae you may have.

I have Yo-Yo loaches with Amano shrimp & other fish and they do just fine together. However they did eat my Ghost shrimp.

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My experience with red-tailed sharks is their rather nasty disposition. They are not suitable for a tank with otos or tetras, IMHO.

Once you get your water condition right and the algae growth is minimal, you may have some of your cleaning crew starve. I've got a 29 gallon tank and it can't support more than three otos, two cats, one mystry snail and an assortment of little snails that neither seem to multiply or disappear.

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In my 20 gal tank I have one GCAE, it was the first fish in there (over 2 years ago) and the only reason I got it was because that's what the guy at my LFS recommended. He/She is somewhat aggressive to my black neons and penguin tetras but usually just chases them for a second or two and dives back down to the bottom. It spends most of it's time under a piece of mangrove root that's positioned so that it forms a bit of a cave.
It's the only member of my "clean up crew", in that it's the only algae eating fish in the tank. I think it does a pretty good job, there's only a tiny bit of spot algae on the walls, and some on the mangrove root. It's constantly cleaning the gravel and plants.
However, given it's aggressive tendencies I would probably recommend against getting a CAE.
I agree with Trenac, go for some SAEs.
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Why not OTOS?

RIght now I have only a pleco, just a normal pleco, no bristlenose or anything.

I do love my clown loaches, you think that 4 clown loaches and 6 amano shrimp will be ok?

Whats a good algae eater that will eat the alge off the glass?

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ottos will probably be fine too. For a tank that size you'll need a few.
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lokobreed...Otto's will be just fine, it is reccommend to have 1 per 10 gallons. All my algae eaters eat off the glass the SAE's, Otto's & Pleco. I still think adding some SAE's will be very helpful because they eat algae that the Otto's will not.

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Ottos are wonderful. They perfer the brownish and softer stuff in the tank that get on the plants and substrate, but they will also get rid of the some stringy stuff. If I had one fish to keep, it would be ottos. If you are worried about the stringy stuff and the BBA, get your water conditions right and that stuff goes away without the ottos. Snails are another option if you don't mind how they look.

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