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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 09-12-2013, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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Need help with stocking!

Sup guys,

Really enjoying learning all the valuable information in the forums here, I certainly can admire passionate people, which many of you evidently are.

I come here now seeking advice on what to stock my 4ft 200L tank which I am setting up with. I plan for it to be a fairly well planted tank which will have on one side of the tank a pile of driftwood on a large rock creating many holes and crevices for hiding and on the other side a bare expanse with a flat rock which will have quite a lot of plants.

I have eco-complete substrate btw.

So my plan so far is to have:

-Bristlenose X2
-Cory Cats X6
-RCS X whatever population they can maintain
-Maybe Bolivian Rams X2
-Yet to be decided

I really want to have a couple bristlenose catfish or one to start off with as later I would like to breed them, same story with the cory cats I want to breed them later. I want fish that aren't crazy at breeding like guppies but ones that can breed later on down the track at a steady rate if I provide adequate arrangements for their breeding in the community tank whereby I would move the mother or father into a separate tank with the eggs/fry for them to mature and then sell them off. I would prefer them to not be ridiculously expensive as well.

So any ideas or adjustments to the stock for this tank. But I would like to build around the cory cats, some type of dwarf cichlid and bristlenoses. The shrimp can be picked off a bit, I know they breed like crazy so I don't mind the odd few becoming a snack, besides they are the bottom of the food chain that's why they breed so much.

Cheers guys, I know I can count of you for the appropriate answers!
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Just a heads up - there's a good chance a pair of bolivian rams are going to do a lot more than pick off a few shrimp as a snack.
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Agree with JustJen.Might wait until shrimp population number's in the hundred's before introducing near any of the dwarf cichlid's.
Even with plenty of hiding places for young shrimp.
Starting with less than a dozen shrimp,,the cichlid's could eat em up overnight.
I have around a couple hundred shrimp in 300 litre with cories,and cardinal tetra's.The tetra's pick off young shrimplet's, but population is too large for them to do much damage.
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I don't know if this was just me, but my BN pleco HATED my eco complete. He tore everything up so much that I had to pass him along. Every night he went to town digging to the glass bottom of the tank

again, this could be caused by something other than the eco complete, but he was fine before I put it in
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I don't know if this was just me, but my BN pleco HATED my eco complete. He tore everything up so much that I had to pass him along. Every night he went to town digging to the glass bottom of the tank

again, this could be caused by something other than the eco complete, but he was fine before I put it in
I have same problem with male bristlenose that dig's down through nearly four inches of black diamond to soil below.
Did it before when sand was only bout two inches ,so when i re-did the soil tank a couple month's ago,,I made the sand deeper but he still delight's at digging like a cat covering poop.
Have kept these fish many times and this is the only specimen that dig's like it does.
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Agree with JustJen.Might wait until shrimp population number's in the hundred's before introducing near any of the dwarf cichlid's.
Even with plenty of hiding places for young shrimp.
Starting with less than a dozen shrimp,,the cichlid's could eat em up overnight.
I have around a couple hundred shrimp in 300 litre with cories,and cardinal tetra's.The tetra's pick off young shrimplet's, but population is too large for them to do much damage.
Yeh I want to get heaps of them at first, start out the tank with just a small bristlenose let them work their numbers up then add cories and later when the shrimp are established get the rams. I will probably have another tank by then for shrimp which I can put them in if their population is dwindling and not slowly increasing.
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I would add a school of something mid-tank. Perhaps Tetras, to go along with the South American theme you have.
How about something a little bit different like Black Phantoms? They are handsome fish.
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I would add a school of something mid-tank. Perhaps Tetras, to go along with the South American theme you have.
How about something a little bit different like Black Phantoms? They are handsome fish.
They are alright but I would like to have some decent sized mid or top level swimmers which are about the size of Bolivian Rams. I was contemplating some sort of gourami but apparently they have terrible immune systems and are likely to get sick and die.
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Dwarfs are known to get an iridovirus. There are other peaceful species though that tend to be hardier...I think a small group of pearls would look good in a tank that size.

I'd add more corys (maybe 8-10 total) and also a similar sized group of mid/top schooler like Diana mentioned...lots of different tetras/barbs/rasboras/danios/rainbows to choose from.
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My tank is 4ft, it holds 53 gallon and has an eheim 2217 filter.

I am contemplating another schooling fish species apart from the cherry barbs since I have an apparent stocking capacity of 87% with this list. However I don't want schooling fish like neons where they share a total IQ of 1 in a group of 20. I want something which is interesting to look at, something with interesting characteristics.

Give me your opinions and wisdom please, it is greatly appreciated and I ask you guys this because I don't want to harm or make uncomfortable any fish due to not researching properly and digging out the correct information.

Thankyou
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Would try and get a male/female Pearl gourami for two males, may not get along even in larger tank.(I had two males that would not share 80 gal peaceably)
Would note also that the rainbow's ,and barb's, will easily eat the food's offered long before the gourami get a chance at it.
Might take some creative feeding to ensure slower feeder's get their share.
Bottom feeder's can forage much easier so few problem's with feeding them in my view.
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Would try and get a male/female Pearl gourami for two males, may not get along even in larger tank.(I had two males that would not share 80 gal peaceably)
Would note also that the rainbow's ,and barb's, will easily eat the food's offered long before the gourami get a chance at it.
Might take some creative feeding to ensure slower feeder's get their share.
Bottom feeder's can forage much easier so few problem's with feeding them in my view.
I'll be getting a pair of gouramis (male and female) because later I might get them set up to be a breeding pair.

With the food, yeh I can imagine that would be the case, however I think I could manage that by spot feeding with tongs.

Any other opinions on my latest selection?
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