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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 03-18-2013, 07:47 AM Thread Starter
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I have decided to buy aquarium number 4 and would like to give Angels a go in a aqua one 620t (130litre) its a tall tank 60x79 im thinking of taking out the trickle filter and running a external as to keep water too notch for them as they like, any comments to give me a hand with my first angels ? Will be a angel only tank apart from plecs
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Hey guys and gals,

I have decided to buy aquarium number 4 and would like to give Angels a go in a aqua one 620t (130litre) its a tall tank 60x79 im thinking of taking out the trickle filter and running a external as to keep water too notch for them as they like, any comments to give me a hand with my first angels ? Will be a angel only tank apart from plecs
Angels are black water fish. They don't care about clear water. They love turbid 'filthy' muck.

Angels in their natural environment.

Although the design of the standard drip filter on those tanks, IMO, does look inadequate for bio-filtration as shipped.


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Angels are black water fish. They don't care about clear water. They love turbid 'filthy' muck.

Angels in their natural environment.
Amazon underwater habitat #3 - YouTube

Although the design of the standard drip filter on those tanks, IMO, does look inadequate for bio-filtration as shipped.
do they not like soft water... Was thinking of putting peat in and adding Blackwater extract??
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Awesome video. My angels don't seem to care about water as long as they are fed they're happy. I do a 50% water change every two weeks and they are fine
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do they not like soft water... Was thinking of putting peat in and adding Blackwater extract??
Depends on your water supply, it may be soft already. However I add Indian Almond Leaves and my own 'Orinoco tea' made from peatmoss, IAL and sphagnum moss. The flooded forest is soft and acidic.

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wild angels need the black water more than most breeds now. i dont do alot of water changes my ph is about 7-7.5 temp is around 75 gh7, kh2. yes i know temp seems low but mine like it and breed in that temp. high temps are not always needed for them mine goes from about 70 at nigth to 75 during the day and i do not use any black water for mine.
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incredible video papwalker. And angels with good genetics tend to be very hardy
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Awesome video. My angels don't seem to care about water as long as they are fed they're happy. I do a 50% water change every two weeks and they are fine
Mine also could care less what they are in as long as it's clean[no ammonia and such] and they are fed.
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wild angels need the black water more than most breeds now. i dont do alot of water changes my ph is about 7-7.5 temp is around 75 gh7, kh2. yes i know temp seems low but mine like it and breed in that temp. high temps are not always needed for them mine goes from about 70 at nigth to 75 during the day and i do not use any black water for mine.
Saw a pair of wild alums the other day, Tank had 'reserved for John' on it.
$75 ea. Lucky John.

My heater is set to same, about 24. Wouldn't have a clue about the hardness. Refill is about 3 so it'll be around that or less.

I've got ambiarcus and brevis in with mine. I'm waiting for some hatchets to complete the tank.
The only ring-in will be the butterflyfish, but Brazil used to be part of Africa anyway and he's a black water. Hope he gets on with the hatchets.


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This is going to be a ton of upkeep.

I have never had an issues with keeping angels from ph 6.0-8.5. Anywhere in that range works.
Get a pair and let them breed

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This is going to be a ton of upkeep.
You think so?
A bit of sphag in the filter and some leaves in the tank. Maybe smidge of Seachem buffer. I'd find vacuuming the substrate (which I never do) or fiddleing around with ferts and lights and CO2 more onerous.

I might keep Africans at 8+ but never Angels, especially wild ones. Maybe US bred are different to others?


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I definitely wouldnt keep wild angels at 8+... In fact.. I personally wouldnt keep wilds al all. I have a problem with removing fish from their natural environment when we can captive breed. You can find wild cross breeds (wild/captive) at Angelsplus+. Some of the most stunning fish i have ever seen.

I am not sure how much experienced you actually have, but i live by one rule with my fish keeping... Keep It Simple Stupid. This just seems like its alot of upkeep over time. It fully depends on your set up

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okay so are people saying to stay away from angels or not ? I won't be getting wild ones, bog standard nice captive bred? With an external probably running peat in and wood/stone inside help?!
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no no no.. GO FOR IT.... I love my Angels. I just personally wouldnt do blackwater.

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no no no.. GO FOR IT.... I love my Angels. I just personally wouldnt do blackwater.

Okay well im think of getting either the aqua one 620t or the jewel lido 120 well planted with an external superfish aquapro 200 and peat extract in it rather than carbon what do you think of that?
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