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post #31 of 52 (permalink) Old 09-28-2010, 05:27 PM
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Price has come down in the past few years on wild bettas. There's more and more breeders who are pumping out babies from some of these wild strains like rabbits. It's not Splendens cheap but alot more afordable than years past, that's for sure. Tank raised wild bettas are also more resilient to disease than their wild caught counterparts so that makes it alot easier to keep these fish now as well.

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I like your wild Betta speedie. But me and Luke20037 were discussing it today and we were both adament it would be near enough impossible to get them here in the UK. Its a shame Wont stop me looking know, because you never know one might crop up at a decent LFS.

But if there tank bred how can they still be called wild? How many generations do they have to be before they are counted as not wild? Or is the term 'wild' just used as a common name for that type of betta?

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To answer a previous post obviously the answer was to remove the offending fish and problem solved. This still doesn't answer the main question of male or female there must be a way of 100% knowing whether it's male or female?
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I have no idea about the availability in the UK, but here in the USA at least the prices are dropping by the month. So it's definitely worth taking a look... any fish clubs or do your LFSs work with any reputable importers?

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But if there tank bred how can they still be called wild? How many generations do they have to be before they are counted as not wild? Or is the term 'wild' just used as a common name for that type of betta?

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The issue isn't really whether they're F1 or F10- but whether or not they've been crossed with domesticated bettas resulting in the super-aggressive domesticated genes. "True" wild Betta splendens are not nearly as aggressive as domesticated Betta splendens as they have not endured generation upon generation of breeding for sport fighting. Most domesticated bettas in the hobby today still come from those original Asian fighting lines... and the fighting "sport" unfortunately is still going strong in Asia.

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Does the fish in the first pic always have those stripes? To me they do look like stress stripes, and again I am not saying males don't get stress stripes, but I have never seen a male with them. I see females with them all the time at the pet store, and typically if you just put the fish in your cart, away from the other fish, the stripes disappear in a few minutes.
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Yes the Betta in the first image always has those stripes. Its in an isolated 12g at the momment and still has them. Could they have them due to my food has alot of the B Carotene, causing colours to be more vibrant? Ive covered most options and see no reason for it to be stressed. Still not sure if its male of female yet, need to get a better image on here!

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beta can be stressed with too much lighting also.
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Hey, everyone! I have a question related to Betta gender identity as well. I bought a Betta fish about a week ago at a pet store. It was labeled "veiltail female", which is exactly what it looks like. I read up on Bettas before I bought the fish, and I didn't question "her" gender because she always has two stripes going from her mouth to her tail. This is the only fish I own, so it is alone in the tank. Yesterday, I left for a few hours and came back to a bubble nest in "her" tank. Now, if the stripes are definite indicators that the fish is a female, and the bubble nest is a definite indicator that the fish is a male, what is my fish??
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Females blow bubbles too...just not huge nests like males.

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Hey, everyone! I have a question related to Betta gender identity as well. I bought a Betta fish about a week ago at a pet store. It was labeled "veiltail female", which is exactly what it looks like. I read up on Bettas before I bought the fish, and I didn't question "her" gender because she always has two stripes going from her mouth to her tail. This is the only fish I own, so it is alone in the tank. Yesterday, I left for a few hours and came back to a bubble nest in "her" tank. Now, if the stripes are definite indicators that the fish is a female, and the bubble nest is a definite indicator that the fish is a male, what is my fish??
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Thanks for the quick response! Here are some pictures... I have noticed that the stripes have faded slowly throughout the week. I think he or she may have been stressed out at first...

This is my first time posting pictures, so I'll use the picture tool and paste the urls to make sure it works...
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/56564492@N05/5226504917/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/56564492@N05/5226504955/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/56564492@N05/5227101640/
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Pictures aren't really clear but it could be a Plakat male. And yes, males also have the horizontal stripes when stressed.
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Pictures aren't really clear but it could be a Plakat male. And yes, males also have the horizontal stripes when stressed.
+1. When in doubt, I always look from above for head and mouth structure.
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Plakat male or female Betta

How can i tell if my Betta is a male plakat or just a female it looks like it has an ovipositor but it has built a nest and is very aggressive towards other males it also has long ventral fins
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Keeping Betta splendens together in the same tank is always a challenge even when keeping just females in a "sorority" tank. IMO keeping both males and females together in a tank this small is just inviting problems as those fish reach sexual maturity.
+1! I reading through the post and I was going to post this. But I see someone already has.

In a bigger tank, you MIGHT be able to keep a male and female. But only if you have a big tank and A LOT of hiding places.

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