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Betta jumping problems- What am i doing wrong?

hey guys, so I have an nice, planted betta tank set up. A 3.7 gallon with plants, mopani wood, sand bottom, amino shrimp, etc. However, I had it without the top it came with for a while because of the new light and automatic feeder I was using on it. My first betta was content in his home for about a month until I found he had jumped.

After his death, I cut a custom plexiglass top with slots for the feeder and light as well as got some frog-bit for the top to discourage jumping. Thinking I was in the clear now, I got a King betta to replace him and everything was fine for about a week. I just got back home however and found he had somehow jumped too!

The only thing I can think of is he maybe made such a precise jump to go under the feeder but over the top? I feel like Im doing everything right. Theres a top, Frog-bit, netting over the filter, and my water parameters are spotless. is something not right or are betas just that suicidal and accurate jumpers?

Im worried about getting a new betta now... Is there any comfortable stocking options for a tank that size besides a betta though? I know shrimp, but I already have an RCS tank.

Current Fish tanks:
Tetra 10 Gallon: 2 Platys, 6 Glowlight Tetras, 3 ghost shrimp
Petco brand 4 gallon cube: 1 female koi betta, 2 amano shrimp
Deep Blue 2.5 Gallon: Red Cherry Shrimp
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What was the waters parameters?
Also you could add a custom cut lid, and a 3.7 gallon tank isn't suitable for a betta.
Anything under five gallons limits your stocking basically to shrimp. Or those small red fish which I forget the name of, of course. Maybe someone will know that name :p

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What was the waters parameters?
Also you could add a custom cut lid, and a 3.7 gallon tank isn't suitable for a betta.
I thought the minimum for them is 2.5 gallons... I get lots of varying opinions on this. I know they can't have a bowl.

I meant that I have a custom cut lid. the only hole is one I cut for the feeder.

And Water parameters are 0 nitrates, 0 nitrites, 0 ammonia, very hard water (florida), Moderate KH (somewhere between 80-120), and pH around 7.0

Tank has a heater, filter, Seachem Purigen, the works...

Current Fish tanks:
Tetra 10 Gallon: 2 Platys, 6 Glowlight Tetras, 3 ghost shrimp
Petco brand 4 gallon cube: 1 female koi betta, 2 amano shrimp
Deep Blue 2.5 Gallon: Red Cherry Shrimp
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I thought the minimum for them is 2.5 gallons... I get lots of varying opinions on this. I know they can't have a bowl.

I meant that I have a custom cut lid. the only hole is one I cut for the feeder.

And Water parameters are 0 nitrates, 0 nitrites, 0 ammonia, very hard water (florida), Moderate KH (somewhere between 80-120), and pH around 7.0

Tank has a heater, filter, Seachem Purigen, the works...
What was the waters temperature?
And no 2.5 is WAY to small by itself, you can ask my go to betta specialist @NickAu to go further into tank size.
I do recommend that you just hand feed your fish, save you a couple of bucks and you know how much your feeding precisely. Do you treat your water? Did you add medicines at the time? bettas do not normally jump (unless feeding) unless something is wrong. in the tank.

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What was the waters temperature?
And no 2.5 is WAY to small by itself, you can ask my go to betta specialist @NickAu to go further into tank size.
I do recommend that you just hand feed your fish, save you a couple of bucks and you know how much your feeding precisely. Do you treat your water? Did you add medicines at the time? bettas do not normally jump (unless feeding) unless something is wrong. in the tank.
water temp is 79-80 F

And okay but Ive heard that its perfectly enough... What the hell can I put in there then?

Also I usually do, but Im not at the house the fish tank is at every day so I have the automatic feeder for when I can't be home.

Water is pre treated with Sachem prime before I put it in, I dose weekly with flourish and Excel, and no I did not add any medication or any chemicals at the time he jumped.

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Tetra 10 Gallon: 2 Platys, 6 Glowlight Tetras, 3 ghost shrimp
Petco brand 4 gallon cube: 1 female koi betta, 2 amano shrimp
Deep Blue 2.5 Gallon: Red Cherry Shrimp
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yea that's why, the temp was way to high. I find bettas do best and thrive at 75 degrees F.

And no need to get cussy, under 5 gallons for a betta is Not enough space.

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Bettas jump for unknown reasons, especially they are short-finned. In your case, he knows what the automatic feeder does, so he jumps trying to get extra treat.
How long are you usually away from home? Bettas go OK without eating for a week. I would remove the automatic feeder and cover the tank.

3.5 is OK for regular sized betta but small for a king...

Bump: Temperature 79-80F is perfectly fine.
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3.5 is OK for regular sized betta but small for a king...

Bump: Temperature 79-80F is perfectly fine.
I do agree with your theory on the feeder, why didn't I think of that! lol
As for the size, I heavily disagree. As I stated under five gallons is to small. period.
As for temperature I stated they thrive IMO at that stated temp.

http://japanesefightingfish.org/betta-fish-care/
You will see in the following article, they to agree on a betta being in five gallons plus.

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Temperature 79-80F is perfectly fine.
Yep, both of mine live at those temps.
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Alright, well conflicting opinions and personal knowledge and other sources tell me a normal Betta should be fine in my tank. I won't do a king again. I've managed to find and affix a mesh under the feeder that allows food to pass through but not a Betta so we shall see if that's the answer!
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I do agree with your theory on the feeder, why didn't I think of that! lol
As for the size, I heavily disagree. As I stated under five gallons is to small. period.
As for temperature I stated they thrive IMO at that stated temp.

The Ultimate One Page Guide to Betta Fish Care
You will see in the following article, they to agree on a betta being in five gallons plus.
The website you linked recommends temperature 78-80F. Bettas are originally from tropical Thailand.


I don't disagree with you. 5 gallon or bigger is better. Mine is in a 5.5 g. But some people already have smaller tanks and can't replace with bigger ones anytime soon; for a budget-wise reason or space-wise reason. I think smaller tanks are still OK as long as they take good care of fish and keep good water parameter. When they are ready, they can get a bigger tank.


So, I would like to tell OP, when you are ready, go for a bigger tank. If possible, 10 gallon is supposed to be best for a king. Until then, keep taking good care of the tank and fish

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Alright, well conflicting opinions and personal knowledge and other sources tell me a normal Betta should be fine in my tank. I won't do a king again. I've managed to find and affix a mesh under the feeder that allows food to pass through but not a Betta so we shall see if that's the answer!
There you go! King bettas have bigger bioload, probably an additional weekly water change work better.
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I do agree with your theory on the feeder, why didn't I think of that! lol
As for the size, I heavily disagree. As I stated under five gallons is to small. period.
As for temperature I stated they thrive IMO at that stated temp.

http://japanesefightingfish.org/betta-fish-care/
You will see in the following article, they to agree on a betta being in five gallons plus.


I do agree that 5 gallons and up is better but as ^ said some people can't upgrade yet and as long as they keep parameters all good it's fine. I don't know how reliable that article you linked is as bettas aren't even from Japan and are not called Japanese Fighting Fish. That being said 5 gallons is what I would strive to provide and is also the widely accepted minimum tank size.


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I think we need to focus less on OP's size of tank and help to figure out what is causing it. I have halfmoon plakats and a few have made the leap from time to time. 2 in a row seems like something maybe up up with tank. Let me ask a few questions, How often do you do water changes and how much? Do you do the recommend dose of Flourish or Excel for the size of your tank? Did you start with a lower dose and move up to the recommended dose for each? If and when you buy another try not using fourish and excel and see if you have the same problems. Just trying to think out loud for some things to look at.

Good job on cover and make sure all openings are covered. I personally keep my betta's in a divided 10 gal (5 gal a piece) covered. King prob too big for your tank but a regular size should be fine, just keep up on weekly water changes. My betta's live at 78-80 and I breed them at 82. I usually keep them without tankmates. If there are any question I can answer please feel to contact me.
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Flourish or Excel for the size of your tank? .
Well that backfired quickly. And people wonder why I always ask the size of the tank.

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