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Co2 + Air Pump + HOB = Co3???

I am using a Hagen Nutrifin DIY Co2 system, and a seperate baking powder & vinegar system. Both were rated for 40gal, and my tank is 65gal.

I use the aqueon 55/75 HOB filter, and a 100 whisperer air pump for my sand fall.

My Co2 tester is a darker blueish green, and never the medium tone green like this color

Does the airpump and HOB filter oxygen producing properties negate the Co2?

Wouldn't this combo create Co3?

It is a new tank in it's 3rd week. Lost all 6 fish I put in on week 2. I assume it is from it not cycling, albeit I used 10gal from my pond. However, Co3 poisoning has crossed my mind too. I only do petsmart water tests, and they have said my water was fine since week 1. Some fish bones would argue differently.
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I am using a Hagen Nutrifin DIY Co2 system, and a seperate baking powder & vinegar system. Both were rated for 40gal, and my tank is 65gal.

I use the aqueon 55/75 HOB filter, and a 100 whisperer air pump for my sand fall.

My Co2 tester is a darker blueish green, and never the medium tone green like this color

Does the airpump and HOB filter oxygen producing properties negate the Co2?

Wouldn't this combo create Co3?

It is a new tank in it's 3rd week. Lost all 6 fish I put in on week 2. I assume it is from it not cycling, albeit I used 10gal from my pond. However, Co3 poisoning has crossed my mind too. I only do petsmart water tests, and they have said my water was fine since week 1.8 Some fish bones would argue differently.
I do not believe that water will provide nearly the same benefits as established filter.media and/or substrate.

That said.. co3 happens between monoxide and oxygen but I do not believe it happens between dioxide and oxygenreadily.
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I am using a Hagen Nutrifin DIY Co2 system, and a seperate baking powder & vinegar system. Both were rated for 40gal, and my tank is 65gal.

I use the aqueon 55/75 HOB filter, and a 100 whisperer air pump for my sand fall.

My Co2 tester is a darker blueish green, and never the medium tone green like this color

Does the airpump and HOB filter oxygen producing properties negate the Co2?

Wouldn't this combo create Co3?

It is a new tank in it's 3rd week. Lost all 6 fish I put in on week 2. I assume it is from it not cycling, albeit I used 10gal from my pond. However, Co3 poisoning has crossed my mind too. I only do petsmart water tests, and they have said my water was fine since week 1. Some fish bones would argue differently.
i just realized that you probably meant No3 rather than co3. if that is the case, then yes, it could be an issue if it is high enough. it would be a good idea to check out the API kits to test for that (the mast kit can be hand in the 20 dollar range if you look around online, and is pretty cheap insurance.
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I am using a Hagen Nutrifin DIY Co2 system, and a seperate baking powder & vinegar system. Both were rated for 40gal, and my tank is 65gal.

I use the aqueon 55/75 HOB filter, and a 100 whisperer air pump for my sand fall.

My Co2 tester is a darker blueish green, and never the medium tone green like this color

Does the airpump and HOB filter oxygen producing properties negate the Co2?

Wouldn't this combo create Co3?

It is a new tank in it's 3rd week. Lost all 6 fish I put in on week 2. I assume it is from it not cycling, albeit I used 10gal from my pond. However, Co3 poisoning has crossed my mind too. I only do petsmart water tests, and they have said my water was fine since week 1. Some fish bones would argue differently.
No. It won't. If it did we'd be in trouble. Just putting two substances together won't form molecular bonding. Plus the majority of the atmosphere is nitrogen. Oxygen is only around 27%. CO3 is a highly unstable ion at best.

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Does the airpump and HOB filter oxygen producing properties negate the Co2?
Yes, probably. The excessive surface agitation will simply cause the CO2 to diffuse out of the water column quickly.
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Thanks everyone. I am such a n00b to science. I know now that my fish died due to nitrogen cycle not finishing, Co3 isn't being made in my tank, and No3 is a cool way of saying nitrates. I wonder if petsmart test for No3.
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Thanks everyone. I am such a n00b to science. I know now that my fish died due to nitrogen cycle not finishing, Co3 isn't being made in my tank, and No3 is a cool way of saying nitrates. I wonder if petsmart test for No3.
I am sure if you bring in a sample of water they will test it for you (though it may vary from store to store).

A nitrate test kit is not a bad thing to have yourself as well.

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