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Im sure its in here somewhere, but this thread is way to long to find the info im looking for.


About how long are these 20oz canisters lasting on a 10g? And also about how long are they lasting on a 20L? both with low tech set ups, about 10-15BPS
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Total Cost:

1). EMPTY 20oz Tank $27.15 (+tax) -Walmart
2). FILLING Co2 Tank $3.50 -Sport Chalet
3). ASA on/off valve $8.70 (include tax + shipping) -eBay
4). Watts Needle valve $10.55 (+tax) -HomeDepot
5). Teflon Tape $1.07 (+tax) -HomeDepot
6). 10 Feet Tubing $2.33 (+tax) -HomeDepot

Total $53.30

dang.... its pretty expensive for a guy that only grow java moss and java fern on my 10gal tank lol.

-plus $2 Wrench and $6 glass diffuser. ~60 bucks
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Im sure its in here somewhere, but this thread is way to long to find the info im looking for.


About how long are these 20oz canisters lasting on a 10g? And also about how long are they lasting on a 20L? both with low tech set ups, about 10-15BPS
The size of your aquarium doesn't determined the outcome of how long a Paintball Co2 Tank will last. You can have a 10 gallon tank with very high demanding co2 plants, then again you can have just regular java moss and java fern only.

It all depends on your bps and what your injecting in that your plants needs.

Here's what I came up with several months back regarding a 24 oz PB tank. The 1bps on a 24 oz PB tank is confirmed by several folks to have reach 5.2 to 5.3 months. I myself reached between that range.

The 2 bps on a 24 oz Pb tank is right on the ball park as well.

At 1bps on a 24 oz PB tank. You can get 5-6 months.
At 2bps on a 24 oz PB tank. You can get 4-5 months.
At 3bps on a 24 oz PB tank. You can get 2-3 months.
At 4-5 bps on a 24 oz PB tank, You can get 1.5-2 months
At 6-8 bps on a 24 oz PB tank, You're looking at 1 month before refill.


10 to 15 bps is alot of co2 injection into a 10 gallons tank or 20 gallons long tank.

I would think that would gas your fish and shrimps if you have any.

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Total Cost:

1). EMPTY 20oz Tank $27.15 (+tax) -Walmart
2). FILLING Co2 Tank $3.50 -Sport Chalet
3). ASA on/off valve $8.70 (include tax + shipping) -eBay
4). Watts Needle valve $10.55 (+tax) -HomeDepot
5). Teflon Tape $1.07 (+tax) -HomeDepot
6). 10 Feet Tubing $2.33 (+tax) -HomeDepot

Total $53.30

dang.... its pretty expensive for a guy that only grow java moss and java fern on my 10gal tank lol.

-plus $2 Wrench and $6 glass diffuser. ~60 bucks
The setup can be had for free. Co2 setup = accelerated plant growth = sell on forum here on site = payment back for setup and more.

In due time it pays off from your plant sale

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Im sure its in here somewhere, but this thread is way to long to find the info im looking for.


About how long are these 20oz canisters lasting on a 10g? And also about how long are they lasting on a 20L? both with low tech set ups, about 10-15BPS
HOLY CRAP! what kinda diffuser do you have in there!? I can't even hit 2 bps in my 29g Without gassing my fish with an inline atomizer and an air stone 24/7..
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Ahh see, I havent ran a Co2 system on a smaller set up.

Im not sure what my BPS are on my larger aquarium, but i do know the count is high.
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The size of your aquarium doesn't determined the outcome of how long a Paintball Co2 Tank will last. You can have a 10 gallon tank with very high demanding co2 plants, then again you can have just regular java moss and java fern only.

It all depends on your bps and what your injecting in that your plants needs.

Here's what I came up with several months back regarding a 24 oz PB tank. The 1bps on a 24 oz PB tank is confirmed by several folks to have reach 5.2 to 5.3 months. I myself reached between that range.

The 2 bps on a 24 oz Pb tank is right on the ball park as well.

At 1bps on a 24 oz PB tank. You can get 5-6 months.
At 2bps on a 24 oz PB tank. You can get 4-5 months.
At 3bps on a 24 oz PB tank. You can get 2-3 months.
At 4-5 bps on a 24 oz PB tank, You can get 1.5-2 months
At 6-8 bps on a 24 oz PB tank, You're looking at 1 month before refill.


10 to 15 bps is alot of co2 injection into a 10 gallons tank or 20 gallons long tank.

I would think that would gas your fish and shrimps if you have any.
My setup last for 1.5 month. I was surprised as I didn't see a lick when I assembled the system.

I will re-fill it soon and triple-check for bobbles this time.

But the system is perfect and worth it.

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What kind of pressures does everyone with this setup see at room temperature at the gauge on the ASA? Does anyone see pressures above 1000 PSI?
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Hi quick question,
I got the system all set up and it works great for around 30 minutes. After that, the co2 just stops flowing. I have to take the Asa off the tank and re attach it for the gas to flow again, but it just stops after another 30 minutes. I have a swagelok valve and Teflon tape around everything, and there aren't any leaks. Is the Asa faulty? Someone said the co2 might be coming out too fast and solidifying. Does that sound feasible for this setup? Thanks for all your help!
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When you mention there aren't any leaks, are you 500% sure of that? The most common problem that occurs with setup is a leak present somewhere that slowly creeps itself up. It doesn't need to be a massive leak. People have dump the setup in bucket of water for 10 seconds and say there is no leaks, but later to find out there is leaks.

I'm using the Swagelok Needle Valve set at 1.5 bps and never had a problem with co2 gas coming out too fast.

I wouldn't say the ASA On/Off Valve is faulty, I would triple check for sure sign of leakage first. A single bubble leakage can take up to as long as 1 minute to form, keep the setup under water and observe it one last time to be certain there isn't a leak.

I then would test it with another ASA On/Off Valve to rule out the first ASA On/Off Valve you have on there.

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What kind of pressures does everyone with this setup see at room temperature at the gauge on the ASA? Does anyone see pressures above 1000 PSI?
Because I'm seeing pressures way over 1000 PSI on my gauge at the ASA and it worries me.
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Thanks for replying Jaggedfury. You're right, I only held it under water for a couple of seconds. So if there is a leak, instead of all the co2 leaking out, the flow just stops after a while?
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ok...so is the on/off valve necessary or can strictly the needle valve be the way you adjust the bps?
i had most of the stuff for this since i used to play paintball...but my asa on-of valve...well isn't. it has no knob, it is always on i guess you could say.

does that cause a problem like blow outs or a huge loss of c02 when you plug it in? help me out here. since i am new to this.
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ok...so is the on/off valve necessary or can strictly the needle valve be the way you adjust the bps?
i had most of the stuff for this since i used to play paintball...but my asa on-of valve...well isn't. it has no knob, it is always on i guess you could say.

does that cause a problem like blow outs or a huge loss of c02 when you plug it in? help me out here. since i am new to this.
You need an ASA obviously (that's what the needle valve screws into).. I have one that's always on, has no on/off that works perfectly. I guess a good thing about having an on/off would be you could turn it on and off without resetting the needle valve. Then again you could just unscrew the ASA, but probably would lose a lot of Co2 if you're constantly doing that.
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Because I'm seeing pressures way over 1000 PSI on my gauge at the ASA and it worries me.

All mine stay at 800 or less.. I'd say whoever filled it went way over.. But it's hard to know for sure without looking at the bottle.
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