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View Poll Results: How important of a piece of equipment would an automatic water changer be for you?
Just as important as the water in the tank! I will sell my kidney! 12 17.65%
I want one bad, but I will settle for by hand till I got the money. 28 41.18%
Would be cool, but I don't think I need one. 22 32.35%
That would be worthless... no thank you. 6 8.82%
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post #16 of 36 (permalink) Old 08-13-2013, 04:30 PM
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I'd have to know a lot more about the specifics of the system offered before I could even begin to answer anything other than "not interested at any price".
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Haha, yeah well lets just say I have something in the works but I cannot give to many specifics right now. But once it hits production I will be letting everyone and their brother know about it. It has been my baby for over 6 years now but never got it to production. But I can tell you my first prototype was what Genesis came out with, but that systems is just not practical. I have refined it down to something far more desirable and won't cost as much as Genesis.
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Waiting....im sick of water changes

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I use to keep discus and although some disagree I did up to 95% wc daily.

I would pay a considerable amount for an auto wcer

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I use to keep discus and although some disagree I did up to 95% wc daily.

I would pay a considerable amount for an auto wcer
If you changed all the water out daily the cycle issue isnt really an issue anymore because there isnt enough time to have radical chemistry swings or ammonia spikes. But most people don't want to change that much water so often just because of the labor and the stress on the fish from constant change. Much safe to do it in small amounts so you dont stress the fish. But sometimes the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" saying comes into play if that works for you with no problem.
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I was pretty excited when I got a python, but the suction from the sink didn't do as good a job at targetting and cleaning specificly mucky spots or even general floating debri. I just use that expensive contraption for filling up now, even though the suction ability is still usefull for clearing the hose. So I would think that even with an auto system I'd still be frequently using the gravel vac into a bucket.

If I had a bigger tank though I would consider it for $50-$100 depending how well it addressed my needs.

Would you need a resevior? My tap has chlorine and chloramine.
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If you changed all the water out daily the cycle issue isnt really an issue anymore because there isnt enough time to have radical chemistry swings or ammonia spikes. But most people don't want to change that much water so often just because of the labor and the stress on the fish from constant change. Much safe to do it in small amounts so you dont stress the fish. But sometimes the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" saying comes into play if that works for you with no problem.

lots of discus keepers do daily waterchanges.

Lets see. If I could only use it on one tank then 150.00 is what I would spend.

If it was more of an item that you attach to the tank, turn on and forget about it, come back later and put on a different tank...then that may be worth 250.00

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hard to answer this without knowing more about the product like cost and design

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Hes trolling... every1 will have to do wc forever.. theres no getting around it unless u install plumbing.

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If it meant no lugging hose and buckets around the house, you bet I'd buy one. 7 months pregnant = no fun with water changes, even on only two tanks! The interest is there- you only have to look at items like the python, or even pond vacuums to see that there is commercial viability. The problem is creating a product that is easy to use and affordable for the average enthusiast. Esp as you run into issues like treating the source water for chlorine and chloramine.
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Hes trolling... every1 will have to do wc forever.. theres no getting around it unless u install plumbing.

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Water changes are inevitable. But got to make something that will at least make the task as hands free as possible.
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I would buy one immediately, if priced $100-200 and had the same features of Reef Genesis but only better and improved for water storage.
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...so how feasible would this system be in a small apartment?
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post #29 of 36 (permalink) Old 09-13-2013, 01:53 AM
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Other than the features you mentioned above, the most important feature for me would be safety, this thing would have to have different levels of redundancy built into it to eliminate any reasonable chance of flooding the room. If the design included this feature I'd buy one immediately, otherwise I'd never install one even if given to me for free. Potential damage to my house isn't worth the effort it takes to change the water manually.
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Interested, of course, but the following needs to be covered before I could consider it practical:
1- Affordable to the average hobbyist (approx $65-90 for single tank use) (maybe up to $110-140 to be movable to other tanks)
2- Safe. No chance for accidental flooding or leakage.
3- Easy to use/setup/maintain

Looking forward to hearing more about your design/product
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