First of all, lets address your PM to me...
Originally Posted by amygirl11
Thank you for publicly embarrissing me It was greatly appreciated.
I don't know where you got the idea I was trying to or did "publicly embarrass" you...at no point did I make mention of any shots you posted or name you in my post. In fact, my post specifically said "one of you is going to post a picture" as in the future tense, as in someone will
post an image. That would rule you out since you had already posted that shot a while ago, so I really don't understand where you could infer I was speaking about you. You're certainly not the only person to have posted a macro shrimp shot you know...
I'm sorry. I didn"t know you wanted shots of what a 85mm can do. Sorry I have to direct you to my expired flickr account but my darling children left my external drive at school with my photo's on it.
Here's one with my 70-300.
Now I really don't expect anybody to tell me my photography is awesome!!! I am a middle of the road photographer, with middle of the road equipment, and middle of the road skills. As far as macro lens goes, I personally don't think the 85 is all that bad if thats all you can afford. I totally agree that the 60mm you would have to be to close to your subject. Just remember that Nikon lenses don't deppreciate all that much. One can always sell it and use those funds to upgrade when the better glass is more affordale to you. I may never be able to afford the 105 and I really don't care. I have fun with my 85 and that is all that matters to me. My photography is for my enjoyment. I would like to thank you for informing me that my camera and equipment will never take a decent shrimp shot. I'll quit trying.
First of all, again, I was not personally talking about you or your
85mm macro. It's a well known fact and documented in various reviews that the optics of the Nikon Micro 85mm are lackluster compared to the other micro Nikon lenses. I was simply stating a fact observed in many reviews. Can you still take great pictures with a Nikon 85mm Micro,...absolutely! Would I recommend one knowing what I've read in multiple credible reviews, no, I would not, so I didn't recommend one to him. Those are all nice shots you linked to in Flickr, but they're also all shots in daylight or close to it, which is vastly different to that of aquariums. Without a speedlite mounted off camera, its impossible to get the quality of light and the depth of field required to get pictures like Speedie or myself get, simply due to the fact that aquariums are dark and hard to light in the eyes of a camera sensor.
The problem here is that often times someone new to photography will post asking for recommendations for a macro lens so they can get all the cool shots like Speedie gets, and everyone jumps to recommend a random macro lens like the 60mm or 85mm but never follow up with the fact that Speedie and myself use speedlights to get the results we do. The danger with that is the new photographer then goes and blows $300-600 on a unsuited macro lens, only to be disappointed with the results and now they're stuck with something they can't use to the full potential or at all with even decent results depending on the lighting and size of their aquarium.
If the poster wants really excellent macro shots, then he'll need the equipment I mentioned. Once he has that, then it has nothing to do with equipment, and everything to do with himself. He asked, so it was my job to tell him exactly what he needed without any sugar coating if he wanted truly awesome macro shots.
If the person asking me wants excellence and amazing shots, I'll gladly tell them exactly what they need to buy, and how much it will cost. I refuse to sit here and beat around the bush or coddle someone, saying "Oh yes, all you need is $300, don't worry, you'll be taking amazing macro shots in no time with the best of them" when I know it simply isn't true. DSLR photography and especially macro photography is expensive, there's no way around it. $300 isn't realistic for what most people here want to achieve, but because of the flood of people only recommending "get a macro lens!", they are led down a false road of hope, only to be disappointed later when they don't look like Speedie's pictures. I'm not here to set people up for mediocrity, if they ask me, I will tell them whats required for excellence.