...or similarly http://groups.google.com/group/atx-pak/
if you don't have a Google account and you just want to join in. Look for "Apply for group membership" over on the right side there.
"You are much better off with no numbers than meaningless ones. The minute you believe numbers uncritically, that is, without understanding how they're calculated and how well they measure whatever they're supposed to measure, you will generate a breed of employee who will produce numbers and not results. Your data-processing system will then serve not to describe reality but to lie about it."
-Micheal S. Montalbano