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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 07-07-2014, 03:48 PM Thread Starter
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Red's 75 Gallon Low Tech (pic heavy)

Finally got this tank to cycle and have the first plants in. Figured it would be a good idea to start a journal to keep up with it.

75 Gallon
x2 48" Current Satellite Plus (28 PAR @ 18")
MGOPS Sub with PFS Cap
LFS suggested using Envy

Plants:
Java Fern - 2 pads
Anubia becketti - 2
Contortion Val - 5
Dwarf Sag Or something.. - 2

Added 7/24/14
Anacharis
Cabomba
Moneywort
Hygro brown

Fishes:
9 Cardinal Tetra's
4 true SAE
1 Very Shy Clown pleco...

Current: (before my last trim, was getting crazy!)





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Back Story!

Tank Set up 5/1/14:


Filling 5/19/14:


Floater!


Tannins 6/6/14:




Finally Planted: 7/3/14






4 Cardinal Tetras to start still alive as of 7/7/14

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Looking good there!!!

Might I just say the wood would look a lot nicer with some more annubias/java fern or some moss on it. But overall nice look so far!!


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Anubia and Java Fern are two plants which have a Rhysome which looks like a stem running across the bottom of the leaves. This should not be under the top of the sub.
For this reason those two plants and any other with a Rhysome is often tied to rock or wood and allowed to "root" there. The roots which hang down from the Rhysome can be planted in the sub, but I find that very hard to get started. I do have one of each of those in one tank which have been planted like that. But the Java Fern in that tank and those in another tank which were left suspended to get ferts from the water are doing better.
Once the Vals start to reproduce, it will fill in more.

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I'll be watching this one as we have the same size tank and exact same light.

What photoperiod are you starting with?
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Thanks for the pointers guys. I did leave the rhysome of the anubia's out, it's just hard to see, i planted the stringy roots in the sand. I don't really care for stuff growing on wood in a tank. To me it's trying to imitate a tree and not an underwater scape. I'll keep an eye on them and if I see them doing poorly I'll rethink that. I would like them to stay in the sand though. I really hope they grow, or at least survive. haha.

The Val's aren't looking so good. Wondering if I have enough light on the back of the tank (just the 1 48" strip through the middle). I can't suspend it, guess I could fashion some kind of stand for it but with glass covers I think that would diffuse the light too much. Probably should pick up another one for better coverage. Time will tell. Current photo period is 7 hrs. May adjust but from reading here that seems like a good starting point.
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The Val's aren't looking so good.
I had corkscrew vals and lost all of them except one.

I later read:

"Plant the Corkscrew Val in bunches or singly in the mid-ground of the aquarium for the best effect, but be careful not to bury the crown (where the plant stem meets the roots) in substrate as it will kill them. If noticeable decay occurs on the leaves (it usually starts at the tips), it should be trimmed to prevent it from spreading to the rest of the plant, which can cause the entire plant to "melt"."

of which I both buried the crown and did not remove the decay.

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Thank you Vanish! I have done both as well.. looks like I'll be getting wet tonight. I may go ahead and redo those anubias and the java too now that Ray has mentioned it. Got me worried.
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I don't really care for stuff growing on wood in a tank. To me it's trying to imitate a tree and not an underwater scape.

Just a little pointer I don't think I have ever seen any wood in water without something growing on it. Also anubias are generally a shoreline plant that is often found attached to rocks and wood along the shoreline in its native range. And moss most defiantly grows on submerged wood in nature.

Now I get where you are coming from about trying to recreate a tree underwater not very natural at all. But some moss and anubias and java fern wouldn't make it look unnatural at all IMO but to each there own.

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I scuba so I get what you're saying. And you and Ray and vanish are bringing up valid points, that I appreciate and do need to heed.. haha. Changes will be made this evening. I'll use some of the rock that I have and tie the java down and the anubias will go on each piece of wood.

I do appreciate the info guys, thank you.
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And in no way do you have to go overboard. Just start with on how you have it now and add on on the wood and see which you like.

Also when I started with anubias I planted all the roots in the substrate and it didn't do well. Also if I'm correct don't anubias feed from their roots that are suspending in the water column? So if you bury them I'd think you would need some root tabs.


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I do have the MGOPS underneath the sand, but you're right. They'll probably do better (which I want) up out of the sub.
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I took the suggestions and made some moves.

Anubias are anchored to the wood. One needs a better job but will do for now. I really don't like it like that.





Java fern has been anchored to some rock.





I tried to trim off the bad parts of the Val's, but, there's honestly not much that looks great on them. I think I got all the melty parts though.





This one looks chewed, but there's nothing to chew on it.



hmm..

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Vals and Crypts can do strange things when you change their environment.
All the tops may die or not, but don't let it bother you because they will send up a new shoot next to the old root soon. I wouldn't do anything with that bad one because you never know how much light it is taking in from wharever it has left. After a couple of new "leaves" come up and tall also then you can remove the old. but I'd still do it one per every few days. They may have fallen off by then anyway.

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How much of the crown on the vals should be out of the sub? There's not much root on them and I could barely get them in the sand, much less hitting the dirt substrate below it with out covering a little bit of them. Should I turn off the circulation pump and let them float for awhile or just leave them alone?
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Are you using excel??? That will cause the vals to melt.
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