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post #31 of 88 (permalink) Old 08-03-2013, 11:06 PM
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Don't worry about the white mold/fungus! It will go away by itself.

AS for snails I would do Rams Horn and Malaysian trumpet snails (MTS). The rams horn will do wonders for the white junk, and will eat algae on the glass, wood and plants, and they won't hurt good living leaves on the plants. They will go after leaves that are dying, so they help with tank maintenance. The MTS stay in the substrate and will keep it aerated and stir up the top 3/4". They will reproduce quickly depending on the amount of extra food in the tank. BUT I found if your feed your fish/shrimp the correct amount the MTS will tend to keep their numbers in check!

Pond and bladder snails have a BAD rep for overpopulating the tanks they are kept in, so use them at your own risk! I try to keep them out of my tanks for that reason! People also dislike MTS for the same reason, but like I said before, I have had good luck with controlling them with the amount of food you feed! Since this is going to be a shrimp tank you will be watching the amount of food anyway, so I would throw in some Rams horn and a few MTS and let them clean the tank for you!

When you can add the snails is pretty much up to you, but I have added them in my tanks anytime during the cycle and I have not ever had a problem. You might want to wait till the ammonia isn't very high to give them the best chance.

As for the Nerite snails I have never used them in Freshwater! They will live in freshwater ok, but they will lay small white eggs all over the tank, and the eggs won't hatch in freshwater, so you have to remove them by hand! To much of a pain for me!

For the wood sinking monapy usually sinks pretty fast, or at least it has for me! If you are going to leave it in the bucket, just make sure to have a rock or something on top of it so it is TOTALLY UNDERWATER! If not it will take longer! Boiling it will help it to sink faster and will also help leach out extra tannins faster, but it is hard to boil sometimes due to the size of the pieces and not having a big enough pot! I use my Turkey Fryer/propane cooker to boil mine, and it has worked very well! Then after I am done I soak it in some bleach water to make sure the fry pot is ready to cook in later on! I don't want a wooden taste in my fried turkeys!!! You can also do as RedseaReefer said above and pour boiling water over the wood in the bath tub, then fill the bathtub up enough to cover the wood and let it get soaked in it! It is easier to drain off the tannin stained water and replace with clean water in the tub! Just MAKE SURE there is NO KIND OF TUB CLEANER OR SOAP in the tub before starting!

Lastly on the whole cycle thing. If you are not keeping a food source for the bacteria to continue to grow while you are waiting to add the shrimp, you truly not going to cycle the tank completely. Really what I am trying to say is that you need to add some kind of food for the bacteria to eat and grow yourself a good colony! The little amount of bio film that will develop on the plants, wood, glass, and substrate won't be much with out something living in the tank or adding ammonia to "fishless cycle" the aquarium! I have NEVER done the "fishless cycle" myself! I at least start with a few hardy fish and snails. Since this is going to be a shrimp only tank I would only add snails! Then feed them just a small bit of food ever day to every other day, till your ammonia readings peak then fall, then your nitrites will do the same, and finally the nitrates will rise when the nitrites start to fall. When your are reading 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, usually after about 4 weeks you will be shrimp ready.

You may have already have know all of this, but I didn't want to see you add your beautiful shrimp and have them suffer through any kind of ammonia spike!

I hope this helps ya out,
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post #32 of 88 (permalink) Old 08-05-2013, 01:31 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you all for the advice!

Tried to drill some holes into the wood today and they look like cheese now Which is okay, since i have more choices now to stick mosses in the holes to cover it up. They still don't sink tho, so i put them again in hot water and hope they will sink since water comes through the holes... Last resort will be the slate or i might try the boiling thing with the turkey pot (hidden from my hubby, he wouldn't be too happy about that lol)

I've got now by an accident a few snails in my 55 gallon, i guess they are pond snails (?), little round brownish ones and i pulled 2 out and tossed them into the shrimp tank. I also added a pinch of flake food or algae wafer since last week in there, don't know if that really speeds up the cycling? Thought it might... Guess i will check the water in a few days and see, what types of snails i can find around here and add some. Or i just go with the little ones i have and keep the population under control... I will see how it goes... The plants seem to be ok, saw some getting tiny new leaves, so i assume they are happy. Tried to pull some of the mold of today, it looks much better now

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Weeeee! I got wood number 2 sinking now and added it to the tank. 1 more to go. I also ran some tests again, here the readings compared to the last time

Readings (7-23-13)

pH 7.6
Ammonia 2 ppm
Nitrite 0-0.25 ppm
Nitrate 0 ppm
KH 4 drops
GH 10 drops

Readings today (8-6-13)

pH 7.6
Ammonia 0.25 ppm
Nitrite 5 ppm
Nitrate 5 ppm
KH 3 drops
GH 10 drops

I also added some more Hornwort to the shrimp-tank, stuck it into some of the drilled holes in the wood, let's see how that will turn out.

It still needs big filling plants and more moss, but unfortunately i don't have the budget right now, so i still keep an eye on RAOK's and just wait.

Here a new picture as of today, Day 19:

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Looks like things are coming along nicely.

You'll definitely want to keep adding ammonia. Since you'll only be stocking shrimp, you could aim for 1.5-2PPM daily. I.E., your tank should be able to process that much ammonia in a 24-hour period.

That allows you to build a strong bacterial colony to process waste and to develop lots of goodies for the eventual shrimp that will inhabit your tank.
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Looks like things are coming along nicely.

You'll definitely want to keep adding ammonia. Since you'll only be stocking shrimp, you could aim for 1.5-2PPM daily. I.E., your tank should be able to process that much ammonia in a 24-hour period.

That allows you to build a strong bacterial colony to process waste and to develop lots of goodies for the eventual shrimp that will inhabit your tank.
Stupid question from my side: How do i add ammonia? Never did such a thing, so that is completely new to me. Was thinking about to move some of my Ghost Shrimp over, but i guess with those water parameters they would be doomed to die right now, right?

I could move some fish from my 55 over if that would help to speed up the process? And then i could move them back when ever the tank is ready for the shrimp?

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You use plain ammonia, no surfactants. Typically the janitorial strength stuff from Ace Hardware. (search the forum for "fishless cycle")
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Ok, i will take that into consideration! And if i would decide to go without that, it would just mean that the cycling progress will take longer, do I understand that right?

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Not exactly. Go here to read what the fishless cycle is.

You have to provide a food source (ammonia) in order to develop bacteria that "cycle" your tank. Once the tank can process X amount of ammonia within 24 hours with ammonia dropping to 0, nitrite being at 0 and having at least some sort of nitrate reading, then your tank is ready. But read that link above.
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I will certainly do that, thank you again

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Would it be safe to move my zebra danios from my 55 g over? To help the tank cycling instead of adding ammonia?

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Well, with the Nitrite being that high it is out of question i guess...

Got the last piece of wood in, now i just need more background plants and i think i am done for now

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He will say no

Using fish to cycle is mean

Lookin good, is your dhg not doing so hot?
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What is dhg? Sigh lol

And i don't want to bring my fish into a death trap... just tried to avoid adding ammonia but i guess that is what i have to do

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Dhg is dwarf hair grass.

Adding ammonia is actually way easier than keeping uo with constant large water cjanges to avoid killing the fish youre using to cycle.

I love your wood! Looking great.
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