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post #106 of 451 (permalink) Old 07-30-2013, 03:19 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you,

How much Boron do you think is too much? My tap water has 0.023 mg/L and I dose Flourish 3x a week.

The Zinc theory sounds plausible, my tap has zero zinc, I'll cut down on the Flourish and see what happens. The higher P didn't do anything, higher Co2 gave me bigger leafs and faster growth though.

I'm also trying a higher level intensity on one side compare to the other, one of the few benefits of desk top lamps. During the last 3 days, the side of higher light had BIGGER leafs and HIGHER growth, weird. Lower light + High

Co2 = compact growth? Can't be?



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If your seeing deficiencies you don't want to cut down on your fert's but perhaps increase them. One of the problems with using pre-mix is that you can't adjust it for certain issues depending upon your specific tank.

As for the leaf size fluctuating depending upon light concentration this is completely normal. When the light levels is lower plants grow fewer, larger leaves to capture as much light as possible. The stems also are more elongated as the plant reaches for more light. Under higher light the stems are shorter and the leaves are smaller.

In nature if a plant is in too shady of a place it elongates toward the light. Once it reaches the light levels it wants, it shortens down and grows happily.
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^ I'm getting completely different results. The shaded areas have smaller HC Cuba and the sides where I increase the light has bigger leafs and stem.

I'm trying to get a stunned yet healthy look, I did it before in another tank. I'll continue with the same routine of high light on one side compare to lower light, a few more days and it'll be noticeable.

For now, in my older pictures, the middle has the most dense growth compare to the sides which is growing HC like they were on steroids (big big leaf size) not a great look at all.



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I still can't get past the fact that your carpet is growing so well with CFL's.

Idk if you're still considering the jump to LED's but when I did it in my 40B, it was outrageous. I know everyone says that but after personally experiencing it, it was well worth it. My tank turned into a freakin madhouse jungle in literally a month. A lot more maintenance required but great end results if you go that route.

Unfortunately, life happened and I neglected the tank for a month and it completely fell apart. Had to toss half my plants and ultimately ditched the tank altogether.

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I still can't get past the fact that your carpet is growing so well with CFL's.

Idk if you're still considering the jump to LED's but when I did it in my 40B, it was outrageous. I know everyone says that but after personally experiencing it, it was well worth it. My tank turned into a freakin madhouse jungle in literally a month. A lot more maintenance required but great end results if you go that route.

Unfortunately, life happened and I neglected the tank for a month and it completely fell apart. Had to toss half my plants and ultimately ditched the tank altogether.

I did my first scape with LED's, I find them more vibrant with extra-pop compared to CFLs.

Lighting is a weird issue for me, I been trying to find the right spectrum, intensity and photo-peroid with no luck. My plants truly did not care, my water parameters had a bigger effect.

I believe you can grow plants in a wide number of spectrums as long as the intensity is right. You make up for the lack of spectrum (red or blue) with having a higher intensity of light.

It's like having a light that looks dim to the eyes but peaks in spectrum area that plants can use most. I'm also starting to think that maybe the 'blue' range is "where it's at".

I'm thinking higher kelvins and a peak in blue (400 - 450 nm) with a modest level of red (600 nm) could be the sweet spot.

On a side note, a while back I went out and brought full spectrum CFL made for seasonal depression (does that even exist?) and it had no noticeable effect. I had some BGA but I think it came with the new plants, BGA disappear with EM treatment but I also went back to old house-hold CFL, so I don't know.

Aquatic Plants are weird, high light is great if you can control it, I'm going try going low light with high co2/lean fertilizers.

High light/High Co2/High Fertilizers works, I tired it and yes it works, but I'm going to see with the other side can offer.

Everything in this scape is done with the same bulbs you use in your kitchen and lamps.



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How do they create the ball of stem plants? My growth is all over the place?



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Carpet.... Carpet.... Carpet..... need mowing.



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I mowed the lawn, I just hate how I can never get a uniform look like the pros. It's as if every part of the lawn is in a different phase, from growing - to half trim.



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I mowed the lawn, I just hate how I can never get a uniform look like the pros. It's as if every part of the lawn is in a different phase, from growing - to half trim.
let it all overgrow then cut it down evenly across, and it will grow back at the same rate. you can also do things like use a wide putty knife to gently press the front edge of the h.c down to give it a more even look against the glass. i personally dont like it pressing up against the glass, it looks cool to trim the front 1" away, then tuck the front edge down into the gravel with a putty knife.
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^ What does trimming it 1inch from the glass do? You mean making it into a mountain or something?

I trim the entire carpet at the same time but it still grows in different rates and shape. I'm either messing around with the fertilizing doses too much, or my lights are not giving an even spread.


Some weird results -

1. Shaded glosso is growing side ways.
2. Glosso with tall stems continues to grow upwards until trim, then grows side ways.
3. Shaded HC Cuba is more compact with unhealthy growth.
4. HC Cuba exposed to light has bigger leafs.
5. HC Cuba exposed to low light with high Co2 has more compact growth.
6. Lack of Zinc results in a shorter internode with more leafs.


Just my experience ...



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could be lack of flow, could be low spots of co2 in the tank, or uneven lighting.

First the lighting, i would re position the two lights so they are on the sides pointing more or less straight down, this will be much more even spread and equal par, and thus rule this out/fix any lighting issues.

inadequate flow has a large impact on co2 distribution, as well as nutrients, so maybe the rocks are blocking flow and slowing it down in those areas, maybe flow is fine but co2 isnt reaching it very well. co2 isnt always equal throughout the tank, just cause the drop checker is green, doesnt mean there is 30ppm of co2 around the substrate, it could be much lower. my suggestion would be to ditch your current co2 injection method, and spend the $10 on a proper diffuser(your running pressurized co2 i think?) this will give a much better mist, and place it opposite your hob. every other week or how ever often you feel, you can swap which side your hob is on, this often helps kick up mulm that gets trapped as well, and can change co2 flow in case there are low areas.
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^ Could very well be, you got any good diffuser in mind? Maybe a reactor would help, I seen some of ADA's gallery 60P and they have less bubbles than what I have. I dare to say, I even have smaller bubbles. But their tank is a million times better, what in the world do they do?



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