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Overdosing excel, not by much 2x will take care of that algae along with dialing in your co2, I just recently had a good fight with it on my manten stones, mine also started getting on the plants, but it's clean now
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Overdosing excel, not by much 2x will take care of that algae along with dialing in your co2, I just recently had a good fight with it on my manten stones, mine also started getting on the plants, but it's clean now
Not to thread-jack, but how long was this "fight" fplata? Did you have to 2x dose it for just one day? Or did this take some time? My Seiryu stone and I are having a constant algae battle (and I think I'm losing)...
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this is a great tank! i like that algae! you should send me some :P
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this is a great tank! i like that algae! you should send me some :P
Well. I guess there's a first time for everything, lol.
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Not to thread-jack, but how long was this "fight" fplata? Did you have to 2x dose it for just one day? Or did this take some time? My Seiryu stone and I are having a constant algae battle (and I think I'm losing)...
about 6 days, i started slow and worked my way up to about 12 ML a day, it does a number of riccia and moss, so be aware of that, however it did not harm my shrimp.
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this is a great tank! i like that algae! you should send me some :P
you do not want "none of that" the stuff could spread to your plants and you are in for a treat.
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you do not want "none of that" the stuff could spread to your plants and you are in for a treat.
Lol too bad. Because its really cool
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about 6 days, i started slow and worked my way up to about 12 ML a day, it does a number of riccia and moss, so be aware of that, however it did not harm my shrimp.
Ok, awesome. Thanks!
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Fplata is right- this stuff be nasty.

Thanks for the tips! For now, I'm trying to stabilize it. Then I'll zap it and do a bunch of water changes. Hopefully that will do the job. I'll try the Excel treatment, as H202 didn't really do a lot.

Actually, it did, but my CO2 was wonky so it didn't last. I suppose I could try to be more accurate.
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my fights lasted two weeks + here is what I did

first week i started with acclimatization of the shrimp (i have anout 300 of them, rilli, PFRs, Amano, etc) to the exell, i started at 1/2 and worked my self up to almost 3x, watch your shrimp. once i was at almost 3x, i started water changes daily with the first water change being so large that exposed most of my rocks and allowed me the chance the brush 3% h2o2 on to the affected areas. i was dosing full ADA, which i noticed lacked no3 and po4, I then brought up my po4 to .8ppm and my no3 to 2ppm (iam at 1.2 PPM of po4 and 3 PPM of no3 with a 60% WC every 5 days) I applied phiton git everyday @ 1 drop per 5L it took 14 days for the rocks to get fully cleaned, i only applied H202 1 time. i did not mess with the photo period at all. now my co2 is at a level where i can not count the bubbles sat 16 bps (i dont know) and the algae has been pretty much dormant, i have a strong ripple on the surface, i know i am probably degassing CO2, but i am doing everything possible to keep my beneficial bacteria thriving. I also used a carbon media (30% of my canister was carbon, the remainder biological) I am now back to 100% bio
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Sounds like you have the process down - at the core, treating any algae is the same game: return the balance, and then eliminate the stragglers.

For my algae outbreak, I was misdiagnosing what the algae was (I had never seen a clado outbreak before, so I didn't recognize it until it was pointed out to me), so my attempts to bring it back to balance were hindered and tended to make things worse. As soon as I identified it properly, I was able to correct the imbalance (CO2) and start cleanup. Now, I have hit it with H2O2 and Excel and most is dead or dying. Now come regular water changes to evacuate the dead plant/algae matter so it doesn't turn into a different algae issue.
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my fights lasted two weeks + here is what I did

first week i started with acclimatization of the shrimp (i have anout 300 of them, rilli, PFRs, Amano, etc) to the exell, i started at 1/2 and worked my self up to almost 3x, watch your shrimp. once i was at almost 3x, i started water changes daily with the first water change being so large that exposed most of my rocks and allowed me the chance the brush 3% h2o2 on to the affected areas. i was dosing full ADA, which i noticed lacked no3 and po4, I then brought up my po4 to .8ppm and my no3 to 2ppm (iam at 1.2 PPM of po4 and 3 PPM of no3 with a 60% WC every 5 days) I applied phiton git everyday @ 1 drop per 5L it took 14 days for the rocks to get fully cleaned, i only applied H202 1 time. i did not mess with the photo period at all. now my co2 is at a level where i can not count the bubbles sat 16 bps (i dont know) and the algae has been pretty much dormant, i have a strong ripple on the surface, i know i am probably degassing CO2, but i am doing everything possible to keep my beneficial bacteria thriving. I also used a carbon media (30% of my canister was carbon, the remainder biological) I am now back to 100% bio
Yes, this is similar to what I have been doing, following your schedule. I'm now a little more than 1/2 way through the Excel regimen. I did notice one otto freaking out last night when I accidentally turned on the lights (which usually never happens) so I might do a little water change today just in case. Nevertheless, I did a very strong bleach-to-water (1:6) dip of all my stone and anubias (the plants were in there for about a minute to 2 minutes tops) along with a vigorous Oral-B brushing, lol. Everything survived and came out beautifully, though I left the stones in and scrubbed them for about 5 or 6 minutes. Subsequently, I too have had my CO2 very high, I would say around no more than 6pbs, but I also have a mild surface current. In a 48 G tank that currently holds probably 42G of water (displaced substrate and stone) I only have 5 ottos, 1 loach and 5/6 Amanos so I'm not to worried about the CO2 issue ATM. So far, so good and with addition of more plants, I think the algae is going to be history (or at least that's what I'm hoping, lol).
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Sounds like you have the process down - at the core, treating any algae is the same game: return the balance, and then eliminate the stragglers.

For my algae outbreak, I was misdiagnosing what the algae was (I had never seen a clado outbreak before, so I didn't recognize it until it was pointed out to me), so my attempts to bring it back to balance were hindered and tended to make things worse. As soon as I identified it properly, I was able to correct the imbalance (CO2) and start cleanup. Now, I have hit it with H2O2 and Excel and most is dead or dying. Now come regular water changes to evacuate the dead plant/algae matter so it doesn't turn into a different algae issue.
I think with the larger aquariums that you and fplata have, it may be more difficult to get a handle on the algae issue because the volume of water is so much higher, and thus the remedies must also be proportional to the higher volume. But that's just my guess, either way, I have had fairly great success following the same process and would advise you to try it out and see what happens. As always YMMV...
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I actually think that the size of these bigger tanks makes us (me) feel like we (I) need more light than we (I) actually do. Plus maintenance just takes a bit longer, but I actually enjoy that part. I am always surprised at how little light I truly need to do what I want. And it takes a bit of wrestling to get there still.

Balance-wise, I have no trouble with my Do!Aqua "10-gallon" (I don't remember the size, but its exactly the same as a standard 10). I have always been able to set and forget that one.
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By the way the Amanos won't touch the older stuff, I had 200 of them now I have 160 and 40 on my 60p where they keep the hair algae none existent
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