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#1 · (Edited)
Current FTS (August 24, 2012).

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Hey everyone,

This journal will be chronicling my iwagumi style ADA 60P and what I found out along the way. I have found out very quickly that there is no cut and dry method of doing things so bear with me as I try to make sense of it all.

My aim is to make my journal detailed so that others can get help from it if needed. I don't consider myself to know very much, but I am learning more every day.

I just really want to thank everyone on TPT for taking time out of their lives to post their own experiences, journals, replies, etc. Without these invaluable resources, I would be making a lot more mistakes than I am going to!

Current Setup - Rockwall Mountain Scape
Red denotes planned/unpurchased
Blue denotes in the mail!

Soil/Substrate:
- ADA Aqua Soil New Amazonia Normal (9+3 liters)
- ADA Aqua Soil New Amazonia Powder (3 liters)
- ADA Clear Super, Bacter 100, Tourmaline BC, Penac W and Penac P

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Hardscape:
- Rocks collected at our cabin in B.C.
The rocks were scrubbed and disinfected with bleach water and tested for suitability with the API Nitrate #1 drops. No bubbles were present.


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Filtration/Flow:
- Eheim Classic 2215
- Media TBD
- Hydor 200w Heater
- Aquatic Magic 13mm Lily Pipes


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CO2 Distribution:
- 5lb Aluminum Cylinder
- Go CYL-20 SS Regulator
- Clippard Mouse Solenoid
- Swagelok SS-SS2-A
- Assorted Swagelok Fittings and Check Valve
- Aquatic Magic Bubble Counter
- Aquatic Magic Rhinox 2000 Distributer
- Aquatic Magic Drop Checker


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Light:
- Aqua Medic Sunbeam 2x24W T5HO
- Giesemann Midday
- DIY Conduit Light Hanger


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Flora:
- Hemianthus Callitrichoides 'Cuba' (HC)
At this point as I am just trying to figure everything out so I will be sticking with one carpet plant. I will try more plants/mosses in the future though once I get the hang of everything. I would like to try out: mini micro sword, DHG, e. tenellus and various other mosses.

Fauna:
- 12 Rummy Nose Tetra
- 6 Panda Corydoras
- 4 Otocinclus Vittatus (Otos)
- 4 Amano Shrimp
- 2 Long fin GBR

Fertilizers:
- Pfertz NPK and Micros
- ADA ECA, Green Bacter, Green Gain and Phyton-Git

Misc.:

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So far it has been a big struggle to try to source everything that I need living in Calgary, AB. I have had to buy pretty much everything online from the USA or Vancouver, BC. This means a lot of shipping costs but the alternative is waiting for an order to come in at my LFS and pay double the price anyways so shipping is worth it.

Currently I am waiting a couple of packages. The 60P among other things has finally been in stock, so it is being shipped right now from AFA! I will have to wait till the end of July though to plant and fill as I am on holidays for about 2 weeks.

I can't wait to share my experiences with you all. Thanks for checking out my journal!

-T
 
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#2 ·
Pfertz arrived yesterday.

Quick shipping, had to pay $20 when it got here though...


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Two of the bottles leaked a bit, not too much though!

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Full set:

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Shipment from AFG with my 60P is scheduled to come tomorrow. Pictures to come on the weekend.
 
#4 ·
Thanks! Pretty nice setup yourself, can't wait to see it once it's grown in more.

By the way, where do you get your CO2 filled? I haven't called anywhere yet, but most places don't advertise they fill CO2 cylinders for small consumers like us. I have seen in other threads Sprouse and The Recharge Centre mentioned along with Airgas and other major distributors of gases. I'm thinking the bigger places would be less catering to guy who wants a 5lb cylinder filled. They would also need to fill as I wait because I only am getting one cylinder. Any ideas?
 
#14 ·
Sorry about the slow response. Had a crazy couple of days! On to the responses.



I will have to drop by their once I get my cylinder. I would probably do the rush thing because I don't think I would have the time to go two days in a row.

I have been ordering parts online for my fish tank since I live on Vancouver Island. I would recommend USPS for packages coming from the states if you're not already using them. UPS is the enemy is my opinion, they always seem to have extra fees. Good looking gear, can't wait to see more.
Ups has a chart on their site that states the value of the item, and the duty+ processing you will pay. The fees aren't hidden, they are just really high. They are good if you need the package on a certain day though. I've had stuff sit at the border for six weeks or more with USPS. They are still my #1 choice, regardless.

Trenton, where'd you get the stainless parts for your reg?
Now you guys tell me!! Yeah I always forget about the COD charges from UPS. I got the UPS slip yesterday for my packages from AFA... not a pretty sight! Let's just say that my good deal I got from getting lower prices in the US is not such a good deal anymore... I guess that's the sacrifice I have to pay because the alternative was not getting the tank till probably August.

I got the stainless reg and needle valve from Maknwar.

Wow, you're all set! Looking forward to seeing the finished product.
Thanks, me too!

well it appears that you are not cutting any corners so far....

I cant wait to see the set up
Well I did cut corners on the glassware. I plan on upgrading it in the future though to most likely all ADA. I like the Cal Aqua Labs glassware too but I think I'd like to stick to the one brand.

Pretty parts, now let's see the tank setup.
You will, but I have to wait till the end of July. I am gone on holidays in the middle of July. Not a good combo with a cycling tank!

I agree can't wait to see it setup
Thanks!

I chuckle every time I walk in to Pisces and see the prices of ADA products. I second the recommendation for Recharge Center. I got my filled CO2 tank there, but haven't had to refill it yet. Nice to see how this turns out.
I know! What I don't understand though is how some things are the same and others are double the US price... Really like your tank by the way! I guess it's probably cause it is similar to my setup!

Had actually saved pictures of your stand as one I want style mine after in the future.

Not sure why people buy those bottles instead of dry ferts...

But they sure do look nice.
And hopefully they will make my plants look nice too!

I know, I know. I read a lot of arguments about dry vs premixed fertilizers and I realize they are not as economical. I don't want a big debate about one vs. the other. They both have their merits and demerits. All I have to say is that it was the easiest and fastest thing for me use at this point.

The only reason I chose Pfertz over RootMedic, and nothing against the two bottle system, was that it was a bit more customizable in the dosing.

I am not ruling out using dry fertilizers in the future though. Depending on how well this tank goes and how many more tanks I may (or may not) acquire the cost savings of the premixed would far outweigh the convenience of the premixed.

Tank and other supplies on Monday!!
 
#7 ·
Ups has a chart on their site that states the value of the item, and the duty+ processing you will pay. The fees aren't hidden, they are just really high. They are good if you need the package on a certain day though. I've had stuff sit at the border for six weeks or more with USPS. They are still my #1 choice, regardless.

Trenton, where'd you get the stainless parts for your reg?
 
#17 ·
Your setup is looking pretty solid yourself. Love the riccia carpet so far. Yeah, the bubble counter looks like it is pretty well built. We will see about it’s functionality when I get everything setup.

Nice supplies and tools so far. Looks like you are planning everything out perfectly. Now the hard part comes at getting the perfect tank and setting up the scape. Good luck on your build, lord knows we all need it. lol...
Thanks! I am really trying to plan everything out as much as I can beforehand. Takes a lot of time, but I think it will be worth it in the end. Good thing my wife is patient about my excessive researching before I purchase anything (and I mean everything)! I/we have a whole new (expensive…) hobby from her original comment of suggesting a fish tank. I’m glad though. It was so much fun, albeit frustrating at times, to research everything I needed/wanted to get.
 
#16 ·
Nice supplies and tools so far. Looks like you are planning everything out perfectly. Now the hard part comes at getting the perfect tank and setting up the scape. Good luck on your build, lord knows we all need it. lol...
 
#18 ·
Yesterday was such a good day!
1. It was our 1st year anniversary.
2. The new Macbook Pros were announced (now I have decide which one…)
3. My 60P arrived along with a bunch of other stuff

My heart couldn’t take. I couldn’t even eat my lunch I was so excited watching the 2012 WWDC!

On to the pictures.

Stupid UPS COD. Can’t complain that they are here though.

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Goodies!

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The Amazonia powder ripped about an 2cm… got dirt and dust on everything in the box.

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A small tree was used to protect the 60P.

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Here are all the goods. I had to order Green Bacter/Gain from the US cause apparently it’s not approved for sale in Canada yet. I guess customs didn’t have an issue though, thankfully.

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Here is the tank in place (sorry about the blurry picture).

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Light fixture is waiting at the post office, so I should be picking that up today.
 
#20 ·
Thanks! It has really started to come together in the last week. It sucks I have to wait another month though, I guess it gives me time to get the rest figured out... I have to kinda finalize my dosing routine of sorts and figure what mix of foods is best for the fish that I chose.

Ps. Definitely thinking of the MBP w/ retina. I have a 2006 15" MBP right now which is super slow although still works perfect, never had a problem with it. I was planning on getting the new MBP and updating the hardrive to a flash one anyways. All the better if it comes with a flasqh drive aaaand a retina display. Who needs a cd drive these days anyways.
 
#21 ·
Picked up the Aqua Medic 24" Sunbeam yesterday from the post office. Everything looks great. Looks well built and feels solid.

It also came with two Aqua Medic ocean blue actinic bulbs. I won't be using these as I got the Giesemman Midday bulbs but I'll keep them for backup though in case anything happens to the primary bulbs.

Sorry about the cell pics, I wanted to open it but my D90 battery was dead.

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It was a bit tricky getting the bulbs into the waterproof o-rings. Seals pretty good though.

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The reflectors clip directly onto the bulbs. They look to very good quality.

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In-situ:

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Going to hopefully get to the DIY conduit hanger this week and attaching it to the stand.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Dosing Question

Hey Guys,

I have a dosing question. I came up with this dosing/water change schedule that I wanted to run by you all to see if it looks OK.

1st Week Plan:
  • Water Change – Daily @ 80% change
  • Pfertz – After water change, ½ dose (one pump each)
  • Green Gain – Daily @ 6 drops
  • Green Bacter – Daily @ 6 drops
2nd Week Plan:
  • Water Change – Every other day @ 75% change
  • Pfertz – After water change, ½ dose
  • Green Gain – After water change, 5 drops
  • Green Bacter – After water change, 6 drops
3rd Week Plan:
  • Water Change – Every third day @ 50% change
  • Pfertz – After water change, ½ dose
  • Green Gain – After water change, 4 drops
  • Green Bacter – After water change, 6 drops
4th Week Plan:
  • Water Change – Once a week @ 50% change
  • Pfertz – After water change, ½ dose NPK, next day ½ dose Micros
  • Green Gain – After water change, 4 drops
  • Green Bacter – After water change, 6 drops
5th Week and onward:
  • Water Change – Once a week @ 50% change
  • Pfertz – Full dose (2 pumps each) of NPK one day, Micros the next day with a rest day the day before water change (dosing 6 days a week)
  • Green Gain – After water change, 4 drops
  • Green Bacter – After water change, 6 drops
  • ECA – After water change, 16 drops??
  • Phyton-Git – After water change, 12 drops??
Should I start adding the ferts later on? Like after week four? Does ECA and Phyton-git need to be added regularly?
I have attached a picture as I think it is more clear (to me at least).

Thanks guys!


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#25 ·
Yeah, I have read through pretty much his whole journal a while back. It’s hard to find all the information though cause it is so spread out…

I found this on another website (http://www.azaquaticplants.com/community/showthread.php?t=8499).

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Dosing:
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There seem to be large variations in how different people use the ADA products. You also might become frustrated with the Japanese on the box and the bottles, forcing you to dig out the instructions paper each time you want to use these. You will also find yourself doing the Liter to Gallon conversion over and over again. Here are some guidelines based on converting the ADA instructions to Gallons, w/ notes on other uses and dosing levels:

- ECA: Recommended dosing is 15 drops per 10 gallons of water, once a week. Many people use MUCH less (20%-40% of this dose). Remember you are getting Fe in your Micros as well!
- Green Gain: 3-4 Drops per 10 Gallons of water, once a week. Up to 9-12 Drops per 10 Gallons of water after heavy trimming
- Python Git: 7-8 Drops per 10 Gallons of water, once a week. If treating algae, dose up to 35-40 Drops per 10 Gallons of water
- Green Bacter: 3-4 Drops per 10 Gallons of water, once a week. At initial setup or to treat cloudy water dose up to 9-12 Drops per 10 Gallons of water


So based on the above, and what I have found in Frank’s journal, I think I am pretty close.

I will make the following changes:
  • Keep the Green Gain at 6 drops instead of dropping it after first week. After trimming, I will dose between 15-20 drops.
  • Green Bacter will be upped to between 15 and 20 drops a day in the first week.
  • Seeing as how I won’t have any red plants, I will drop the ECA down to 10 drops per water change.

When should I start dosing the ferts and supplements? Should I be at full dosage of Pfertz and dosing ECA at one month? I am assuming as how you need to promote growth and fight algae, Green Gain and Phyton should be dosed from the start.

Question JCGD, have you used the filter media from Pisces that is their own brand? It looks like a good idea that it already comes with a bacteria culture on it? The guy there told me studies have been done and proven that their bio x max (I don’t know if that is the correct name) is superior to others, including the synthetic eheim media.
 
#26 ·
Nah, I use whatever. I don't really bother with any of that stuff. I prefer Seachem Matrix but I buy it from j&l instead because it's much cheaper. I'm trying to source pumice in Canada because it's one of the best mediums, and raw bulk stone should be pretty cheap.

Even with the premixed ferts, I can't fathom why someone buys them once thy learn of dry ferts. No offense to you or anyone else, but if you really wanna spend the money, buy a lifetime supply of ferts for the same price and donate the difference. Honestly if you can't mix your own ferts, than you have no business keeping a tank because understanding the balance of the tank is 10x more complicated. Not aimed at you, aimed at everyone in the hobby.

This mantra I apply to any of those instant bacteria liquids, media, etc. but if you want name brand media, I suggest the repackaged pumice stone - Seachem matrix. Apparently is had a bit more area then the Eheim stuff. I've used both and I usually buy whatever is cheaper.
 
#27 ·
I will check the price of the Seachem Matrix next time I go to Pisces and compare it to their in-house brand.

No offence taken. I know why a lot of people are all for dry ferts and I have nothing at all against them. I will probably try my hand at them eventually. I understand the dry chemicals and have the ability to mix them myself (working in the chemical/process engineering field and all), I just don’t want to. I'm not bashing one or the other.

And yes, even though they are “expensive”, when you break down the actual cost/month, it’s really not that unreasonable. See the chart below that I made up when investigating the ferts. $4.30/month isn’t that bad… and when they run out and I refill with the jugs, that drops down to $2.19/month.

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#28 ·
Wow dude. Those charts are nifty. Would you mind removing the info that only applies to you and adding the charts to the dosing sticky?

If you are going with matrix I can pick some up for you in Vancouver over the long weekend when I get my own. Saves on shipping and they usually give me a little off because they don't need to honor the free shipping deal. Same goes for anything else you need.
 
#29 ·
Thanks. I use spreadsheets to tabulate a lot of my information. I find it the easiest to work with.

I think I will hold off on the matrix, but thanks though! I haven't decided what I am doing yet for media. I wanted to start out with quite a bit of carbon to absorb the excess stuff in the water for the first couple of weeks so I still have time to research.:)

I actually made an order from J&L a while ago. I got my heater (with the wrong size barbs... I didn't realize there were Hydro 200W heaters with 1/2" and 5/8" barbs), test kit and Giesemann bulbs from them.
 
#31 ·
Haven’t posted for a couple of days. I have had a really busy week.

Been getting everything I need for my DIY conduit hanger/stand. I have pretty much everything that I need now.

The list right now of what I still need to get is:
  • 1/2” hose
  • 5/8” hose
  • Hose adapter (1/2” x 5/8”) (Because I got the wrong size barbs on my heater)
  • Cable clamps or ferrules for 1/16” cable on light hanger
  • Filter media
  • Carbon media
  • Regulator parts/solenoid (Messaged btimmer 92 for the solenoid. Waiting for him to get back from vacation).
  • The end of July to come!
Can’t really think of anything else at this point. I am trying to get the stand all together as fast as I can so that I can put it in place and then put my scape together. I think that I will have time to do that tomorrow evening and Saturday.

I had bought a Woods power bar with built in digital timers, but after reading a bunch of reviews on those digital timer power bars, I decided against it. Instead, I got a nifty swivel surge protector that has lots of room to put timers on it (http://www.360electrical.com/our_products/swivel/8-swivel_outlet.htm) and am going to get either digital or mechanical individual timers. This at least gives me the advantage of modifying in the future, and it is a lot better quality (and less sketchy) then the all-in-one digital timer power bar.

Currently planned list of power users:
  • Lights – Timed (Probably about 2pm-11:30pm daily. May have it on in the morning for a bit before we got to work.)
  • CO2 Solenoid – Timed (Probably 1pm-11pm)
  • Filter – Constant
  • Heater – Constant
  • Lunar light – Timed (Possible future addition)
  • Airstone – Timed (Possible future addition)
On another note, last week I ordered my new computer. Got the newly updated MacBook Pro 15", with a 1TB HD and glossy high res screen. I decided against the new retina version as it is not fixable/modifiable. Not a good combination for a computer! Got it in the mail yesterday, 1 week after i ordered it! It’s pretty slick and it’s a whole lot faster than my 6 yr old MBP! I will probably swap out the HD for a flash drive and upgrade the ram, but that won't be for a while yet.

Peace out,
-T
 
#32 ·
On another note, is anyone familiar with all the swagelok fittings? I got a swagelok needle, so now I need fitting based on that. I'm thinking of something along the lines of:


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The only one that might be different is if I receive a stainless 10-32 fitting on the outlet of the Mouse when I buy that. Then that fitting may be a 10-32 x 1/8" male so I would have to get a 1/8" female x 1/8" OD swagelok tube fitting.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
-T
 
#33 ·
No thoughts anyone on the fittings?

Got around to getting the rest of the stand together last night as well as the fittings for the light hanger. I had some old Ikea cable curtain hangers left from my last apartment and they worked great!

Here is the build:

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Borrowed a conduit bender and got the conduit bent this morning. I may cut the height down a bit and trim it up a bit later. I also think I will get some grommets to hold the cable in place to keep it from moving.


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Till next time,
-T
 
#34 ·
Hi nice setup. I dose with ADA's ECA for my red plants and it works great. I also do not think you need to dose if you do not have any plants yet. I did the same water change reg, with ADA's products and within 2 weeks I had perfect water parameters to add fish. I also use Pfertz products like yours and use one pump of each 5 days a week, 2 pumps after a water change. I now do water changes every 4 weeks and my water is crystal clear. The filter is the most important factor. Keep up the good work.

P.S. Try to center the tank under the light somehow and cut the end that is hanging over about 4-5". Sorry, I have a close eye to detail. :)
 
#35 ·
I'm not dosing yet as my tank isn't up and running yet... I thought that was assumed.

So you dose 7 pumps each weekly of the Pfertz line. I may reschedule slightly from my 6 pumps weekly if I find I don't have to do water changes weekly like you (which would be nice!)

Haha, you do have a close eye! I had moved the light forward on the hanger to prevent the back one from slipping off the bend. I picked up some gaskets today to slip over the pipe to prevent this. And yes, I will be trimming the end of it as I said. It is 5" to long and I lined up the bender at the wrong end of the corner.

Thanks for the help,
-T
 
#36 ·
Got the hardscape in last night. See the end of this post and let me know what you think.

Penac P/Penac W/Tourmaline BC

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Power Sand Special S

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Bacter 100/Clear Super

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Added the Aqua Soil around the edge and then filled in.

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Added the rest of the 9L bag of Aqua Soil. I put some strings on the tank for guidance on the golden ratio. I didn't stick to them exactly though. (http://goldenratiocalculator.com/)

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And now, the hardscape. What do you all think? Comments and tweaks welcome! Also note that it has to look good on three sides.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/60413606@N05/7432713822/ http://www.flickr.com/people/60413606@N05/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60413606@N05/7432719164/ http://www.flickr.com/people/60413606@N05/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/60413606@N05/7432687540/ http://www.flickr.com/people/60413606@N05/
Till next time,
-T
 
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