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Journal: RIP, 6/04

Well... to be honest I never intended to keep this tank running once I got my ADA tank. But it's been up and running for so long, I just can't tear it down right now. I'm simply not ready to set up my ADA tank - it doesn't even have a stand. I'm SO broke right now!

Well anyways. I've had this tank for about 8 months now. I got it off a classified ad for $40 (tank, stand, lights, filter, heater, 2 powerheads and a bucket of gravel). It's been through a lot of tank layouts, however, a massive cyano outbreak (lack of nitrates I think) and other algaes destroyed previous scapes. I tore it down and rebuilt it but the same thing. I just finished a 5-day blackout now to kill the cyano, did a massive vaccuum and water change, and started up DIY CO2 again. I also started dosing EI ferts including nitrates and small amounts of phosphates.

The tank has also been ravaged by disease - I believe either TB or Neon Tetra disease are the most likely two. I have lost a LOT of my fish stock, including 13 neon tetras, 4 german blue rams, otos, gouramis, and various others. For now I'm trying to maintain a clean tank to try and slow the disease progression and see where we go from there.

Tank specs as follows:

33 gallon rimless Hagen
40w T8 CFL's 4100k (eww...)
Eheim ecco 2234
DIY CO2 with powerhead diffuser
100w heater set around 78 deg.
Combination of EI and Flourish line ferts.

PH is ~7
GH is 100-120ppm
Tank is fully cycled but I dose nitrates around 5-10ppm.

Fish are:
9 Harlequin rasboras
2 German blue rams
5 black skirt tetras
2 neon tetras
1 red wag platy
1 dwarf gourami

Plants are just generic Petsmart selection, nothing rare or interesting. Some crypts, anubias, vals, etc.

I will post progression photos in the next post.

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 04-15-2012, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
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Original scape:


First rescape:


Peak:


After rescape:


Cyano outbreak:


Today:
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Day 3 of recovery. Cleaned the glass, vacced some more mulm, and added some plants. Narrow leaf amazon sword and a red lily.

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Now this is just a suggestion, one of the main problems why you keep getting that algae is the sand your using. I would maybe convert over to eco-complete or any other substrate that has plant nutrients in it. I know you are tight on cash, so I know you probably can't afford to pay for new substrate. I was using similar sand and was having the same problem. That's just my opinion though
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I always had algae problems in my sandy tank >_< I think the sand was releasing a lot of phosphates (reason behind thought was the algae subsided while I had a bag of that phosphate remover in the tank!)

On an off note, your rats are adorable ^__^
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Ugh cyano is a freaking nightmare. I used EM Eyrthromycin and it killed it, but then I had a whole host of other problems from amonia since I took out the filter and started the cycle over. I think the causes were poor water circulation, too small of a filter, and low nitrates. I put a second, much larger filter and a powerhead in there. Took months of daily water changes before I finally got the water clear again. I can't imagine trying to get the stuff off of sand. Good luck to you!

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I can't afford to replace the substrate right now, you're right. I forgot to mention that I use Osmocote + capsules under the sand for root feeding. I wish I could afford to pay ridiculous Canadian prices for something like Fluorite but I'd buy a stand for my 60-P before that haha.

We'll see if the nitrates help with the cyano. Honestly other algae wasn't too much of a problem... just the dang cyano.
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Day 4 and the cyano is showing signs of growth. I think I might cry.
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I don't believe flourite has any nutrients out if the bag unless they pre load it. Mine has always grown plants better with age.

I had a cyano outbreak in my shrimp tank with fluval stratum. That stuff has plenty of nutrients. I find flow to be the biggest issue when it comes to cyano. Maybe phosphates too, never checked for it.
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I noticed today that the cyano really seems to like the front of the tank... I'm starting to wonder if the sunlight from my living room window is causing all these problems. And then I find another dilemma - I have nowhere else in the living room to put the tank... it would be in sunlight regardless. Hmmmm.
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Unfortunately I have lost the battle once again. I do not think my sand is releasing phosphates because cyano is not an issue in another tank that has the same substrate... hair algae is another story.

So maybe there are phosphates in my water... or there is a lack of phosphates? Apparently cyanobacteria is an issue in the lake that sources my drinking water... I am going to invest in a test kit and find out.

Unfortunately if I can't tackle this issue I am going to just euthanize my cheap livestock (neon tetra disease - can't sell them), disassemble the tank, sell it, and then hopefully be able to save up enough money to continue my 60-P build. Or I might just keep the glass, sell the stand, and trash the hood. I only paid $40 for it all and I might be able to use the tank in the future.

I don't know why I can't successfully do low tech... I guess its all or nothing here.
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Cyano can also arise from low nitrates since cyanobacteria can directly fix nitrogen which means they basically can get it out of the air. Other plants are starved for nitrates and consequently there is now an excess of other nutrients that cyano feasts on.

Hydrogen peroxide does a pretty good job of knocking it down.
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where did you get the sand? if it has silicate in it there's your problem. silicate will cause algae.

Thanks, Joey. tanks-CUBE of different sizes.

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I dose nitrates around 10ppm

The sand is Geosystem pacific sand, it's strange because I have another 10 gallon with the same sand and it only has hair algae, no cyano... if i'm going to have to switch out the substrate i'm just gonna trash the tank. Not worth the time/money right now.
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I give up. Algae is so thick that my plants are rotting. Tank looks like someone dumped a bag of garbage in it after just a week of no maintenance. Getting rid of all the fish but one ram and the harlequin rasboras and tearing the tank down. Will sell it and put that money towards my 60-P stand. Ram/rasboras can go in my guppy tank for now.
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