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Just a couple fts from today.

The lfs had a gorgeous pair of A. Borellii "blue" the other day! I didn't buy them. lol. I definitely thought about it. I had just added the last two cories and two more Amanos though. The tank needed time to adjust to the increased bioload. Plus I still need to add the school of dither fish, which some sort of Boraras species.








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I did a huge trim & replant this evening with a water change.

I've decided to go with a small school of Microdevario kubotai.

I'm pretty much decided on an Apistogramma pair, not sure on which species though. I'm currently leaning towards the A. borellii, or one of the A. agassizii variations. Thoughts? What Apistos have/do you keep? Which one's do you like the best? I have heard that some of them don't do well with Excel? This tank lives on Excel!!
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I did a huge trim & replant this evening with a water change.

I've decided to go with a small school of Microdevario kubotai.

I'm pretty much decided on an Apistogramma pair, not sure on which species though. I'm currently leaning towards the A. borellii, or one of the A. agassizii variations. Thoughts? What Apistos have/do you keep? Which one's do you like the best? I have heard that some of them don't do well with Excel? This tank lives on Excel!!
Just pick one they're all awesome. They do just fine with excel dosing.

Show me your Apisto and I'll show you mine

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Just pick one they're all awesome. They do just fine with excel dosing.

Show me your Apisto and I'll show you mine
Ha! I know, I know...... I've been soooo picky with this tank!! I guess I usually feel like I rush into fish purchases. I think part of the time and thought I have put into the stocking of this tank is that I'm so freaking busy right now!! Today I saw my tanks with the lights actually on for the first time since Sunday!! No point to buy fish when I'm not around to make sure everything is going great for them.

That thread doesn't make this any easier!
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I haven't been messing with my tanks much this last few weeks, too many exams and such. Spring break is next week so I'm hoping to put a little time in working on all my tanks. I actually am skipping my first class this morning as my back is absolutely killing me. I took that opportunity to flip on the lights and take a look at things since I haven't been home during the photoperiod in a while.

I've been quite pleased with the growth the plants in here have seen lately! The AR is finally taking off! Gonna have way too much in here soon!



As you can see there has been a little bit of algae pop up on the glass. I'm not too worried about it as it gives the Amano shrimp & nerite snail something to munch on.



So in the lower right corner of this pic, front left of the tank, there's a random Aponogeton sp. popping up. Funny bc I've never had one in this tank. The same species popped up in my 55 a few years ago too. Lol. No clue.









I had just topped off the water level so things were a bit stirred up.




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This tank may get some new in habitants this weekend depending on how auctions go at the event I'm headed to in Phoenix on Saturday. There are several Apisto species up for grabs. I posted some questions on the recent apisto pic thread but I'll throw the list here too. If anyone has thoughts on any of these species, please feel free to share. I've also found a few of these on aquabid in my attempt to figure out reasonable prices but if anyone has ideas on the less common fish on this list, I'd welcome a PM about costs. It is also completely possible I come back from PHX with nothing. Lol. That's the fun of auctions of course!! @bobriley2345 any thoughts on this auction list?



This tank has been chugging along. Some of the stems have been doing well. It's almost time for a trim but I think I'm going to let most stuff grow a bit more. Added a couple Crypt. affinis 'metallic red' to this tank, most went elsewhere.







I've got a couple pieces of manzanita that I was thinking about tossing in at an angle across the tank from the back right towards front left. I hate adding hardscape after having a tank running for a while. It might provide the occupants a little more security. Since I've already got a distinct row of planting across the tank in the same manner, the E. parvoflorus, it might be easier than in some other scapes. I would probably try to wrap some of the manzanita with the same moss as the wood currently in the tank.

I've also added a few IAL to darken the water a little more.


Bump: I've also been kicking around the idea of setting up one of my 40 breeders as an upgraded tank for Apistos once my new shelving is finished. Not necessarily full on black water but definitely a darker tank. Lots of Cryptocorynes(if you've read through any of my journals you know my love for Crypts), lots of manzanita, maybe some leaf litter and lower light levels. So this may not be a permanent residence for any apistos I get this weekend.

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Rarest is Apistogramma sp Abacaxis. I would go for that species, but definately not in the heavily planted tank. Most abacaxis---if truly identified correctly are found in pH's of around 3.9! My friend who got me my new pair actually was the first importer of Abacaxis in the United States, simply due to their rarity. Read up about their requirements as they are demanding fish, but very very very rewarding!

If you are unable to purchase them for under 45-60 at the auction, I would purchase them from PureFishWorks on Facebook. They are the only other place to find wild caughts. The Cichlid Garden may have them as well, but I have never ordered through them!

Bump: What I meant by not in a planted tank was that the wilds really love extremely subdued lighting... and my guys hide all day if I increase the lighting past their "limit"... good luck at the auction!


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Rarest is Apistogramma sp Abacaxis. I would go for that species, but definately not in the heavily planted tank. Most abacaxis---if truly identified correctly are found in pH's of around 3.9! My friend who got me my new pair actually was the first importer of Abacaxis in the United States, simply due to their rarity. Read up about their requirements as they are demanding fish, but very very very rewarding!

If you are unable to purchase them for under 45-60 at the auction, I would purchase them from PureFishWorks on Facebook. They are the only other place to find wild caughts. The Cichlid Garden may have them as well, but I have never ordered through them!

Bump: What I meant by not in a planted tank was that the wilds really love extremely subdued lighting... and my guys hide all day if I increase the lighting past their "limit"... good luck at the auction!


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Thank you for the information. While I'm definitely interested in the abacaxis, I am definitely aware I don't have the correct set up to house them, along with some of the other wilds. This tank currently only has a 5.5hr photoperiod & I really do need to reduce either the length or light intensity. I will probably end up doing a little of both.

Depending on the outcome of the auction, I may end up grabbing a gorgeous little pair of A. borellii that my LFS, Arizona Nature Aquatics, has hiding in a black water tank, separate from the his main sales tanks.
As I stated, I'm finishing up building some shelving, so I'll have 8' x 2' worth of room for tanks top and bottom! I will definitely be looking into a few more appropriate tanks for wild Apistos.
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I think that tank would be suitable for Baenschi or Erythura after second thoughts. Both I have seend doing well in other systems!
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I think that tank would be suitable for Baenschi or Erythura after second thoughts. Both I have seend doing well in other systems!


Those are the main two I was interested in from that list that didn't seem too extreme in parameters. I like the looks of both. I was able to find far less basic info on A. erythrura than A. baenschi though.

I picked up these two hut/cave things. The smaller one listed as an "apisto hut" and the larger as a "cichlid hut." I will get them in the tank tonight. I'll probably try to hide one behind or near the current wood arch that creates a nice dark area under and behind. The other I'll place surrounded by some of the dense plantings.



The couple IAL in the tank need to be replaced so I will do that tonight too. I also picked up a little assorted bag of goodies like leaves and alder cones. Part of that will go into the tank over the next few days.


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Cover them in moss or hide under driftwood! You could have just made them with coconuts, you know!

Probably would blend in better!
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I've got a bunch of peacock moss in the tank already, none to spare though. There's a bunch growing out in my 55 that I might be able to cover them with. I may just have to deal with the color for now.


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Some of this I posted into the Apisto thread....

I picked up a pair of Apistogramma erythrura that are F1 from a collection trip to Bolivia by Drs. Tom Wilkinson & Ron Harlan in August if last year! I'm sure those names probably don't mean much to y'all, they certainly don't really to me. Tom's a long term Apisto collector & Ron seems to be all about the Killifish. They put on a presentation about this specific collection trip. Seems they've both collected fish from places all around the world!

These are fairly young Apistos but easily sexed and already showing great colors( & that's inside a breeder bag being looked at by everyone!)

There were two pairs there, I considered picking up both. I let the first pair go at $45 bc the pair I really wanted was this pair. I even got them for less than that.

I was amazed at the prices that everything went for! It was my first fish related auction.

Picked up a couple big lots of subwassertang, some Ludwigia species & one huge Cryptocoryne aponogetifolia(it's gorgeous!!)!! The other thing we thing we picked up(my dad just had to have it!) is a Dragon Fruit plant var. 'Physical Graffiti'.


I'm probably gonna try to use some of the Subwassertang to cover the terra cotta huts.

I also picked up a trio (m,f,f) of Aphyosemion australe BSWG 97-24 Cap Esterias, along with two pairs of Aphyosemion cinnamoneum Kurume APL 13-35. I've never owned any Killifish, so this will be a new one for me. The trio may go in this tank & the others in my 55 as the water in each tank suits those species requirements. I will probably set up tanks for both individual species. Mostly because I really, really want M. kubotai for this tank!


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Looking forward to seeing some pictures! Once things get acclimated of course. I frequent fish auctions, so I know how hard it is to go without leaving with a couple bags of fish lol. I have Microdevarios in my 20H, great little rasbora for sure.
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Johnson18's 20L- New Apisto Pair!

The A. australe trio went into this tank along with the Apistos. I know this isn't ideal and I should have qt tanks running. All of the fish looked healthy(which doesn't necessarily mean a damn thing) and I'll be keeping a close eye on things. If I keep the killis in this tank in the long run, I'll probably add at least another trio. If I don't, I'll probably get another trio & put them all into a 10 gallon tank. The Killifish were donated to the auction by another Tucson hobbyist, so I'm fairly certain I've got a source for more.

I saw all of the new fish yesterday, to some degree or another.

The killis were out swimming around. They had already colored up significantly since the night/morning before(it was well after midnight by the time everyone was acclimatized and into tanks!) The male was enjoying the current around the far end of the tank from the outflow. Every once in a while one of the females would show up there and his colors would get super intense. She would also start to show her colors too, but not as much. Otherwise the females mostly stayed fairly drab, although looked much nice than the scared white minnow look of the day before. All three are fairly young, so I'm sure it will take some time to fully color up!

Here is what a full grown breeding pair of these killis looks like.



Male- this dude doesn't ever stop.







Females





The Apistos were a different story. I saw the female out in front of the moss covered wood arch. That area is heavily planted so my glimpse was through the heavy plant cover just above the substrate level. She looked good though, was much darker than the day before. The male, well, I saw this tail. Hahaha.... I was checking the sponge filters, which are in the back right corner behind the driftwood. I had stuck my head along that side to see the condition on the sponge & his tail was visible on the far side. I'm sure they just need some more time.

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Collection habitat data:



I'm sure me messing around with the tank off and on all day didn't help anything!

I took two huge portions of subwassertang and covered the huts using plant weights. I know the weights aren't ideal but I had them & it meant the least amount of time spent with my hands in and out of the tank. A few stems on Ludwigia repens went in this tank as well. Mixed with the repens were a few small bits of Salvinia minima that I tossed in.

The biggest thing I did to the tank yesterday was build a cover. Killifish are known jumpers. While this species is not a huge jumper, I'd rather be safe. Plus it'll cut down on the massive amount of evaporation as well as reduce the light levels just a bit.

Covered for the night!



New cover! It was an old remainder piece of a larger sheet & is a bit warped.



Here's a random shot from me trying to photograph the male... it catches the tannins that my normal tank pictures don't!






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