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post #151 of 209 (permalink) Old 03-08-2012, 12:11 AM Thread Starter
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Chloro,

I have the answer to your question, and the solution is not so bad. The algae you are experiencing can be dealt with fairly swiftly and easily.

However, I must say to avoid H202 and Excel overdoses at all costs. These are chemicals that negatively cause more harm to your aquarium's ecosystem than they provide help. Excel, when dosed appropriately, straight into the water column, as a carbon additive, is a good supplement.

Here's what happens when you add H202 and Excel Overdosing to your aquarium:

1. If you do it right, you kill the algae
2. You also jeopardize the plants
3. You kill off millions and millions of beneficial bacteria which keep your system stable (not just bacteria related to nitrogen cycle)

The result: More Algae because your ecosystem is weakened. It's a vicious cycle.

So here's your solution:

1. Before doing anything else, add 5-10 Amano shrimp. You can remove 5 later to maintain numbers of 5.

2. Add 1-2 otocinclus cats.

3. Use airline tubing and siphon off dead material and algae decay around plants without sucking up algae. You will remove much of the debris and built up particles this way.

4. What are you running in your filter right now? At month two you should be 20% mechanical, 80% biological + 1 packet of Tourmaline F for water purification if need be. First month is 20% mechanical 80% biological.

This is important for keeping your beneficial bacteria colony thriving.

5. What is in your substrate? Just aqua soil?

6. Use Phyton Git and Green Bacter after water changes: Green Bacter replenishes Beneficial Bacteria and Phyton Git helps eliminate algae. Dose some with excel.

7. Trim off excessively bad or overrun portions of the plant.

8. Are you dosing appropriately? You should only require 1 squirt of Brighty K (potassium) and 1 squirt of Step 1 at this point, and a minimal dosing of ECA (iron, etc) once a week.
Thanks but I don't use ADA additives.

I don't change filter media to suit my current tank issues unless it would be to add Carbon or Purigen.

Yes, just Aquasoil.

This algae can be siphoned now that it has died and clumped up but before, it was unbreakable except by pulling small clumps off with tongs.

The HC is now thriving and the algae has subsided.

A new bulb for my Solar Mini M and a double daily dose of Excel = 1ml, 10ml of h2o2 every day, and EI dosing plus constant trimming of the HC, as well as 10 stems of floating Bacopa Caroliniana and doing water changes with pure RO seems to have cured it.

I don't know which did what but the combination seems to have done the trick.

I lost some Staurogyne Repens, which is unfortunate, but all will rebound.

I don't add livestock until I know I won't need to tear the tank down or use more drastic methods.
Although I do like using amano shrimp in established tanks, I am still blasting co2 and excel/h2o2, I wouldn't wan't to harm any animals for the sake of algae removal.
O-cats don't do anything for this algae anyway other than uproot my HC.
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post #152 of 209 (permalink) Old 03-08-2012, 12:15 AM Thread Starter
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I would restart. But that's just me. If you need some more Stauro, I can send a little for just shipping. I feel bad, the same thing happened in my spec.
Hah, I refuse to restart!
You have no idea how long I have been working on this!
A month of dry-start will not be sacrificed simply to rebuke some puny algae!
I SHALL DESTROY IT.

Oh yea, I did destroy it.

No need to feel bad, but thank you for your kindness.
I will probably buy more Repens from you soon.

Tank is doing well, I will post up some pics tomorrow.

The tank DOES have some Rotala Indica planted in it right now, I just wanted some more plant mass.
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Hah, I refuse to restart!
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The tank DOES have some Rotala Indica planted in it right now, I just wanted some more plant mass.
That was the two things I was going to say. Let things start to grow and the algae will subside. Maybe shorten the photoperiod if you haven't (haven't been keeping up with every update).

The second, you already did, add some plant mass. If you have a LFS or a Petco/Petsmart that still sells aquatic plants, you may want to spend like $5-10 on some fast growers. I have done this before when I don't have stems and it works great. I actually took my extra plant mass out of my carpet only tank (my other tank needed it after some major trimming) and algae hit pretty quickly. You don't even have to plant it, I just put some in with some weights, or rubber band a small rock if you don't have any.


I am sure this will bounce back with some patience, plant mass, and not a lot of work.
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Hah, I refuse to restart!
You have no idea how long I have been working on this!
A month of dry-start will not be sacrificed simply to rebuke some puny algae!
I SHALL DESTROY IT.

Oh yea, I did destroy it.

No need to feel bad, but thank you for your kindness.
I will probably buy more Repens from you soon.

Tank is doing well, I will post up some pics tomorrow.

The tank DOES have some Rotala Indica planted in it right now, I just wanted some more plant mass.
I see. Then this is grounds for an update!

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That was the two things I was going to say. Let things start to grow and the algae will subside. Maybe shorten the photoperiod if you haven't (haven't been keeping up with every update).

The second, you already did, add some plant mass. If you have a LFS or a Petco/Petsmart that still sells aquatic plants, you may want to spend like $5-10 on some fast growers. I have done this before when I don't have stems and it works great. I actually took my extra plant mass out of my carpet only tank (my other tank needed it after some major trimming) and algae hit pretty quickly. You don't even have to plant it, I just put some in with some weights, or rubber band a small rock if you don't have any.


I am sure this will bounce back with some patience, plant mass, and not a lot of work.
Yea the tank has Bacopa Caroliniana floating in it also.
Photoperiod is 7 hours, maybe it's 6 and 1/2 I don't remember.
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Yea the tank has Bacopa Caroliniana floating in it also.
Photoperiod is 7 hours, maybe it's 6 and 1/2 I don't remember.
I have gone as low as 5 hours, while still getting growth. Or you can try the mesh screen over your light with a regular photoperiod. I have grown HC in pretty low light so that could work.

Mainly, my point was to just wait it out and let things settle, seems like you are confident in that. People have 500 ways of dealing with algae but unless you have way too much light, you usually don't have to be super proactive or start over. Obviously, your light is pretty "catered" to this tank, in the style you are doing it so I see this turning around.

Sorry for the long post, I just think it won't be hard recover and though I have had my algae free tanks, I usually expect about 1-3 months what you are going through on this type of setup (or plant choice more so).

Anyway, good luck.
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I have gone as low as 5 hours, while still getting growth. Or you can try the mesh screen over your light with a regular photoperiod. I have grown HC in pretty low light so that could work.

Mainly, my point was to just wait it out and let things settle, seems like you are confident in that. People have 500 ways of dealing with algae but unless you have way too much light, you usually don't have to be super proactive or start over. Obviously, your light is pretty "catered" to this tank, in the style you are doing it so I see this turning around.

Sorry for the long post, I just think it won't be hard recover and though I have had my algae free tanks, I usually expect about 1-3 months what you are going through on this type of setup (or plant choice more so).

Anyway, good luck.
Thanks for your comment.
I definitely prefer reducing photoperiod over reducing intensity, atleast in this specific case.
The light was "designed" for this tank, and I find that any less light makes my HC too leggy.

I like to be as proactive as possible, but I don't wan't to go overboard.

I am, sadly, on my third or fourth attempt at an iwagumi in this tank, so patience runs thin at this point in the endeavor, but the benefit may be that I have dealt with nearly identical situations three times already.
As long as I can protect the carpet, and make sure it reproduces faster than it dies, then it is a win.

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How about an update?

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Sorry ive been preoccupied with my other tank, keep losing more and more shrimp in that tank...
The mini m is doing so so, algae keeps killing more stauro and hc but the hc is keeping up.
I'll take some pics when I get home today.
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^^^That was days ago :P lol

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^^^That was days ago :P lol
Hah did my trim and water change today but forgot to take pics again...
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Smaller tanks are often hard to get the right amount of CO2 into them.

Ask your self why that is.

Hint, it has a lot to do with evaporation.

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