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post #46 of 452 (permalink) Old 12-13-2011, 04:51 PM Thread Starter
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Now I'm thinking I need Malaysian trumpet snails, my sand layer above my dirt layer is quite thick because I wanted to be sure that they wouldn't get to the dirt with their constant picking, do any of you think that this would be a good move?
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post #47 of 452 (permalink) Old 12-13-2011, 05:01 PM
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Are you in my closet? I literally just did a search on them. They are asexual, which means just one has the ability to make one hundred. Up to you if you want to keep them. With a dirt tank, tit's great for your soil, but they also might breed like crazy. What about: http://www.eeob.iastate.edu/faculty/...ocs/Lvgen4.htm Seems they'd accomplish the same purpose in your substrate (as well as give your fish protein), if your objective is to stir it up?

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Interesting, I never thought of a worm, they could go deeper than the mts would too, I will have to look into it, maybe post an individual thread about it to get more peoples perception on it! I have two cories and I'm sure they will love eating them too!
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Exactly how deep is your soil/cap? and ~ what size is the cap grain?

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Between the dirt and sand its gotta be 3-4 inches just a guesstimate and it's about 45-55mm size grains for the sand, and I'm glad it's that thick because just watching the Goldie's pick at the sand makes me nervous, lol.
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I think you are OK without MTS. (I also think you mean .45-.55 mm) I did a lot of research before doing my dirt. It should be 1 inch dirt and 1 inch cap, but apparently up to 2 inches of dirt is fine. Your sand is large grained which does not hurt, and would help keep your dirt from producing sulfide gas if aeration were really an issue. It isn't. Despite what many people think dirt is completely anaerobic just below the surface and it is supposed to be. Problems come when it is too deep though. The other issue is if you want detritus to penetrate easily and become food a la Walstad, which I don't think you want. Even if you did, the fish would take care of that.

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Alright, i need to read her book again, you can only soak up so much knowledge at once. I love science, but alot of things were over my head, i understood the concept but not the individual parts that make up the whole concept.
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Do you want to keep the mulm, or not? I can't remember if you said.

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Well i will vacuum mulm when in sight, as it collects behind the wood and such it will stay there and as the plants grow in thicker the mulm that will collect there will stay.
So yes and no, lol.
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It's fertilizer or poo depending on how you look at it. Whatever gets trapped... think of that as fertilizer

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Lol, ok!
Now i have a question how did you get your journal link to say what it says and not be the address of the journal?
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Oh boy. Someone told me... umm... There's an insert link icon in the message box tool bar and I think it has something to do with maybe typing what you want it to say then highlighting the text the using the icon...

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lol, that was me that told Gold Finger how to do the signature link. Since I was about to comment on the snails, I'll chime in with that, too! Like he said, just type what you want to say, then highlight the text, click the insert link icon, and type the link in the popup.

As for the snails, I have pond snails and mts. I really thought the pond snails would be mostly removed when I switched to sand, but they've already started coming back (and I definitely don't overfeed). But the one trumpet I have in the sand tank, and the two I have in the other tank, haven't had any visible babies yet, so I think they might breed more slowly? Either way, I love the mts. I think they're really cool looking, when I do see them. My LFS thought I was crazy when I asked for some, until I said planted tank, then he said, "Oh! These are exactly what you want, then. They're perfect for that."

So, maybe not very helpful, since I don't know if you really *need* them, but I do enjoy mine so I thought I'd throw that out there.
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+1 on the MTS.

I got one accidentally hitchhiking on my plants. Now I see some babies MTS. They're so cool. Burrowing in the soil like some zergs. But that's just me, i prefer MTS over *any* worms, cuz I get the heebie jeebies with worms, esp if I can see them slithering around in my tank... ack ack ackack
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Thank you both for your input, I think I got like two or three mts in with some plants, I put them in my dirt planted vase and haven't seen them since, I should go night hunting for them. I just thought it might be wise to take advantage of them and Diana Walstad likes snails!
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