The Planted Tank Forum banner

Should I put all pictures & updates on the first post?

12 Gallon Long Rimless "Escape" Updated 4/17

51K views 263 replies 51 participants last post by  somewhatshocked 
#1 · (Edited)
Last updated: 4/17/12

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Camera used is a Canon 5D Mark II with either a 17-40MM f/4L, 50MM f/1.4, or 85MM f/1.2L.

Equipment
1. Mr. Aqua 12 gallon rimless
2. Glass computer desk
3. ADA New Amazonia (Multi-type)
4. Eheim 2236
5. Glass lily pipes
6. Seiryu stones
7. Matheson dual stage regulator
8. 20 LB CO2 tank
9. Atomic in-line diffuser
10. Coralife dual T5HO 36" light fixture with AquaFlora and 10K bulb

Flora
1. Hemianthus Callitrichoides (HC)
2. Ludwigia inclinata "Red"
3. Ludwigia inclinata “Pantanal”
4. Erio Cinereum
5. Erio Kimberly
6. Erio Japan
7. Erio Aussie II
8. Erio "Mini"
9. Erio Sieboldianum
10. Erio Matto Grosso
11. Crypt Keei "Jambusan"
12. Crypt Hudoroi
13. Crypt Bullosa "Pakan"
14. Crypt Uenoi
15. Crypt Nurii “Mutated”
16. Crypt Kota Tinggi

Fauna
1. Crystal Red Shrimp
2. Crystal Black Shrimp
3. Tangerine Tigers
4. Orange Eye Blue Tigers
5. Painted Fire Red Shrimp
6. Oto

Water Parameters (11/24/11)
1. Ammonia = 0
2. GH = 107.4 PPM
3. KH = 89.5 PPM
4. Nitrate = 5 PPM
5. PH = 7
6. TDS = 200
7. Temperature = 72 F
8. CO2 @ less than 1/2 bubble per second

Now, pictures:
10/22/11 - Initial setup


10/24/11 - Added HC
I was going to dry start the HC but after two days, I grew impatient and filled the tank and cranked up the CO2! :hihi: I also removed the actinic bulb and replaced it with a 6,700K bulb. The light is now running 10,000K and 6,700K bulbs.



11/5/11 - Added Seiryu Stones
In the process of adding the stones, I kicked up a bunch of the HC, which wasn't quite rooted yet. Spent like a year planting them back in the substrate! The water also became cloudy for a day or two due to the new additions. :angryfire


11/21-23/11 - Added Shrimps
Also added Downoi and some Eriocaulon Cinereums just for kicks. There's also some Dwarf Riccia Fluitans in there, supposedly. The person who sold it to me claims it's Dwarf but I'm not entirely convinced. I am no longer running CO2 in this tank due to having expensive shrimps. All plants are growing just fine, however.








1/7/12 - Added Tangerine Tigers & Orange Eye Blue Tigers
It was hard to capture the OEBTs so I'll have to try again another day.

Here's a PFR with a OEBT photobombing from the bush:

Found a pregnant CRS:

Red eggs? :confused1:

1/10/12 - RIP
Came home to this tonight:

:mad: Starting to really consider dropping the water level down a little or getting a lid.

Dinner time:


That's a Erio "Mini" in case you're wondering. Not entirely sure it's the accurate name but it's the best I've got at this point.

My shrimp can poop faster than your shrimp:


1/14/12 - OEBT & CBS with Red Hinomaru
OEBT:

CBS with red hinomaru (CBRS?):

Another berried CRS!


1/22/12 - RIP TT
Found a dead, berried TT tonight :angryfire:


I might try artificial hatching on these eggs. Currently reading this: http://www.planetinverts.com/Artifically%20Hatching%20Eggs.html

2/8/2012 - Shrimpocolypse?
Randomly lost 6 shrimps last night. Unsure of what's going on but I tested the water parameters and everything was more or less within the acceptable range. A little puzzled.

Bonus update:
DIY stands FTW. Total cost for material ~$90. Total work time: 6-8 hours.



*2/12/12 - Tank is currently in detox mode.*
Due to the recent crash in the tank, I am going to remove most, if not all, shrimps and detox this tank. In the past two weeks, I've lost more than 70% of the shrimps in this tank and really don't care to lose any more. I've relocated all the survivors to the breeder tanks. I'm hoping to get some K-14s and black tigers in this thing once everything settles down.

In the meantime, I'm doing monster water changes daily with pure RO and will dose the hell out of this thing. I might up-root all the HC and replant them. This is gonna mucho sucko.


2/13/12 - RO/DI System
New toy arrived this afternoon. Not sure what to do with all this mess yet but I hope it's not too painful to put together. 300 GPD FTW.


Bonus:
New crypts from Xue and Nick. Plants look great. Thanks, guys!




2/15/12 Update
I was able to install the RO/DI unit without much trouble (was quite easy actually). I was able to make 5 gallons of RO/DI water in about 30 minutes with less than a 1:1 waste ratio! :icon_eek: As you can see from the below image, the left jug is the RO water and the right jug is the waste water. Something MUST be wrong with this. I was under the assumption that the waste ratio is usually 2:1.

Anyone wanna chime in with your experience with these systems?




2/16/12 - Rescape
I decided that it was a good time to do a minor rescape of the tank since most of the shrimps have been relocated. The HC was getting out of hand so I uprooted a large amount and replanted them elsewhere. The right side of the tank will be uprooted tonight and replanted. There's a chance I may get lazy and just mow it down instead.

Also decided to add more plants as the HC was starting to bore me.

Before


After


Crypt. Keei "Jambusan"
Sorry, Xue.. I just had to do it. :icon_wink


New plants

Added Erio. Japan, Erio. Aussie II, Erio. Kimberly, Erio. Cinereum, and Erio. "Mini" and an adult Crypt. Keei "Jambusan" to the middle of the tank.

Bonus Update:


2/27/12 - RAOK Glass Feeding Dish

Won an ROAK by h4n for this sweet glass feeding dish. Thanks again, Han!

2/29/12 - Erios
Eriocaulon Japan


Eriocaulon "Mini"


Bonus
The C. Bullosa acquired on 2/13/12 has sprouted a new leaf! It's the leaf on the right, in focus. Only Crypt collectors will understand the excitement of this as C. Bullosas are notoriously slow growers. ROI = 25%! :hihi:


2/29/12 - Part 2, Red Rili Shrimps
Eh, why not..? More pics!



3/5/12 - Bucephalandra
Finally jumped on the Buce train. I didn't understand why these little suckers were so expensive and popular so I had to get a few to see what the fuss was about. I have to admit, I'm genuinely surprised how pretty they look in person. Here's to hoping they don't completely destroy my wallet..

Buce. "Sekadau 2"


A closer view


Crypt. Bullosa "Bario"
Added a new C. Bullosa from Bario to the collection. The new leaf on this has a really nice red tint to it.


Rotala Macrandra


Berried Red Rili


3/6/12 - More Buce
And the rest of them..

Buce. "Silver Powder"




Semi-FTS


Berried Red Rili


3/19/12 - Shrimp Explosion
I haven't updated this journal in a little bit but here's what's happening in my neighborhood..

PFR population exploded
They're still juveniles/young adults but the color is getting really nice.



Young SSS CRS
These are from my breeder tanks.







I think it's safe to assume that whatever went through and wiped out my population is no longer present. With that said, this tank is no longer in detox mode. I will slowly add back the more expensive stock. I might end up selling off some stock to fund a new motorcycle helmet. It's riding season! :cool:

3/20/12 - Moar Shrimps
Just a sneak peek at what's been brewing..

Wine Red





Black King Kong
Terrible picture, I know. I'll grab a better one when I can get the little dude to stay still for more than a millisecond.


Familiar Faces
Some old timers in the mix..



The CRS from above is hanging out on some Rose Moss I acquired from Jimko. Very legit seller. :thumbsup:

3/26/12 - SSS CRS
Just an update on my CRS population. There's a BKK in there in case you were wondering.




3/31/12 - New Scape!

I got a a little bored with the old layout so I just decided to redo the tank. I replaced all the substrate with some new ADA Amazonia (Multi-type). As you can see, there's still traces of the old scape, but I've added some Manzanita to the equation.

I replanted the HC on the right side so it'll take a few weeks to grow in. I'm not 100% satisfied with the layout of the Seiryu stones at the moment, so I might still tweak it a little. The left side of the tank now has a Eriocaulon Sieboldianum by the trunk of the Manzanita branch. That thing is huge. Also got some stems of Ludwigia inclinata "Red" behind the branch. I trimmed the stems down quite a bit to let them grow out. There are currently no shrimps in this tank. I'll add them back in when it's cycled.

So, without further ado, presenting:

"Escape"​





4/4/12 - Ludwigia inclinata var. verticillata 'Pantanal'
Added a few stems of L. Pantanal and a few crypts (Hudoroi & Kota Tingii) to the tank. Really liking the Pantanal. This may be one of my favorite stems thus far. You can see it on the left side of the tank, behind the Manzanita branch and to the right of the Ludwigia inclinata 'Red'.

I added an inch or two of Aqua Soil to that section to raise the stems up a little. I may use that section for rare crypts later on if I decide to remove the plants. I figured crypts would appreciate the extra depth of substrate. Just planning ahead. :proud:

Tonight's FTS:


4/5/12 - More L. Pantanal




This is how I keep the stones clean.
I use an old electric toothbrush and just go to town on it. Fairly painless and much easier than trying to take them out. You may also notice the glass dish on the left side of the stone. If you're having a hard time keeping your newly planted HC rooted to the substrate, just put one of those down for a day or two and it should do the trick. :thumbsup:
Before

During

So fresh and so clean, clean.


4/9/12 - Another Rescape
I wasn't satisfied with the right side of the tank, so I've decided to redo it. I removed all the stones and in place of it, added one large one. I was trying to create a ridge, or cliff (wall) look. I'm still not all that satisfied with the outcome, so I may still tweak it if I can find the right stones. I eventually want to build a wall to have a very distinct elevation on the right, then maybe have some more wood hang over it. If I can't find any nice driftwood pieces, then I might settle for a plant that'll creep, like Ludwigia cf. Suffruticosa. Or maybe I'll try guiding whatever plants I have into hanging over the "wall." I currently have about 4.5" of substrate on this side of the tank.

The middle section now has been filled with more HC. It's once again a nightmare planting that stuff but it's well worth the hassle once everything grows in. Overall, I'm much more satisfied with how the tank looks now. The transition from the left to the right side seems to work better.

Sorry for all the soda pop bubbles in the tank--my CO2 was running and I had just finished a water change.


Relocated the crypts. C. Kota Tinggi is now in front against Xue's recommendations. It just looks too nice to be hidden in the back. Maybe it'll be relocated if it ever gets too big or out of control. Behind the C. Kota Tinggi is a C. Hudoroi. You can't see it in these photos, but between the two C. Hudoroi is a Erio. Matto Grosso. I didn't want to have it there but it had such an extensive root system that there was nowhere else to I could have placed it. I'll likely relocate it once it picks up. It was heavily pruned and is a little fragile at the moment.



Ludwigia inclinata var. "Pantanal"


4/9/12 - Epic Picture Time
Got some new plants in today, so I decided to take a few pictures. Then I took a few more. Then things started spinning out of control and I forgot why I was taking pictures to begin with, so I took a couple more just for good measure. Oops.

C. Kota Tinggi. Most likely a new leaf coming up, but that'd be awesome if it was a spathe. I'll keep an eye on it and will update accordingly.


New plants (C. Uenoi, C. Keei, and a relocated C. Hudoroi). Thanks, Xue! The C. Hudoroi is sprouting up a new leaf, in the middle.


And this is when things got out of hand.











Along comes a king..


My Fluval Edge tank




Shrimps are eating this in all of the above photos. Om nom nom indeed. This stuff must be laced with crack and infused with meth. The shrimps were literally fighting over it. It didn't help that I only placed one piece in for 19287318273987 shrimps. Thanks for the food, Jake!
 
See less See more
99
#7 ·
Camera used is a Canon 5D Mark II with either a 17-40MM f/4L or 50MM f/1.4 at full resolution RAW. I'll take better pictures one day, when I get a legitimate macro lens.
I have the 100L macro, and you are getting comparable shots with your setup. I would just think of adding a Canon EF 25II Extension tube just to get a bit more magnification.
 
#22 ·
What's stopping you?! :icon_wink

LOVE THE HC! Looks awesome heavily carpeted!
Thanks! It wasn't as painful as I expected after the initial setup. I'm surprised it's still so healthy considering I don't dose fertilizers or use CO2 anymore.

Such crisp pics! Very nice indeed. Keep us posted!
Thanks! Working on getting better equipment for better shots!
 
#24 ·
Yes, that light is way more than what's necessary for this tank, but I was using it for another tank and subsequently replaced that one with something else, so this tank got the "hand-me-down."

I didn't have many algae issues at the beginning but then neglected the water change for a few weeks and now I have some BBA. Trying to dose a little Excel to help it out but it'll take some time to clear. I just don't want to dose too much Excel and harm the shrimps.

To be honest, I haven't heard great reviews in regards to the CoraLife lights. Seems like some people are running into premature failures on the units. So far so good on this one.
 
#25 ·
Are you not worried about crossing at all mate? I mean I know the TT's won't cross with the crystals but what about the oebt's? They could cross with the tt's or the crystals(although I know they probably won't with the crystals but maybe the TT's..)

I wouldn't add any k14's as they've been selectively bred to breed 99% true.. And black tigers will definitely mess with oebt's for sure..

Just some thoughts :)

I like the tank and you're current shrimp selection, keep it up!
 
#28 ·
Not very worried because this tank is, in a way, a holding tank. I keep everyone in there until they stabilize and grow older, then move them around to different tanks (I have 8 other tanks). I see your point though, and I thank you for your insight.

This little tank looks great!! May I ask where you got the HC. I know it's not that hard to find but my LFS's don't have any and would love to get some.
Thanks! I bought HC from various forums. Some I had better success than others. I bought a few batches which were emerged and didn't have much luck submerging them. From my experience, I'd stay away from any emerged HC unless you really know what you're doing with them. I'm actually selling them on a thread in the SnS. PM me if you're interested.

Nice looking tank man. That hc looks so clean and algae free
Thanks, Xue! The HC is clean but the rocks are a wreck. I really need to get ride of the BBA that's all over the place.

Anyone wanna take a stab at what this plant is?
 
#37 ·
Thought I could put off scaping my empty 12gal a while longer... and then, bam, you have to go and show us all how great those tanks can look.

I really like the way that stone is aging under water.

Given any additional thought to a cover of some sort? Have toyed with getting a couple glass panels cut but can't decide if the idea is aesthetically pleasing. Your shrimp problem makes me think it may be worth it.
 
#39 ·
Thought I could put off scaping my empty 12gal a while longer... and then, bam, you have to go and show us all how great those tanks can look.

I really like the way that stone is aging under water.

Given any additional thought to a cover of some sort? Have toyed with getting a couple glass panels cut but can't decide if the idea is aesthetically pleasing. Your shrimp problem makes me think it may be worth it.
So does that mean we'll get to see a journal from you soon? :) I initially was put off by the small size of this tank, but it has grown to be one of my favorite tanks.

I've looked into two options:
1. http://www.petco.com/product/112185...-D36E-DF11-BAA3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA

2. (Via eBay)


Option one is not very aesthetically pleasing so I may just pass on that. Option two seems like the route I might take. I have a few sheets of acrylic that I might cut down to size to use as a lid. Essentially the same as a glass lid but less fragile. Lowering the water level on this tank is an interim solution at this point. Since it's only ~9.5 inches tall, and I already have about 2 inches of substrate, lowering it too much is unfavorable. I guess what's more unfavorable is having expensive shrimps commit suicide. :thumbsdow

Did you go big on your emerge setup?
Just don't over fertilize and clean all your plants thoroughly to get rid of any pests before planting them in your setup. Once you get it, it's pretty hard to get rid of
It's only a 20 gallon long tank at this point, but I might snatch up a 40 gallon breeder or another 55 gallon tank tonight. I bought a reptile humidifier to keep the humidity high inside the tank. Plants were cleaned thoroughly prior to being added to the tank. I have another small C. Keei shoot and a C. Flamingo that I'm using at the moment. I know you've stated that you didn't have much luck with the Keei emerged, so I'm not quite sure what to expect with this.
 
#43 ·
Really? Would it still if I'm running LEDs? The unit does not get quite as hot as the T5HOs. Thanks for letting me know, though. Maybe glass is the answer afterall. Unless someone has a different/better suggestion..

I've seen Steve and chad grow c Keei emerged withou any issues. You might wnat to consult with those two to see what they are doing. I honestly don't know what I did wrong. I am going to give it another try when I setup another rack. I cant even add one additional pot into any of my setups
You should be able to add plenty of pots once you finish that monster of a project you have going! I can't even begin to imagine what you're gonna be stocking in a year. Buce salad, anyone?

Oh and I think humidifiers are overkill for emersed setups. A simple heater would provide enough humidity to keep your humidity at 90% or higher
Any heater suggestions? I don't think you're referring to an underwater aquarium heater, are you?
 
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top