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Having deficiencys through out tank what I'm I missing?

My water parameters are: ph 8.4, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate is really high though its like 40 ppm
I was starting to think my plants had a potassium deficiency because a few of them got pinholes. But others just got dieing spots in the middle of the leafs that turned into the whole tip of the leaf turning brown ( this all happening on old growth) so I thought that could either be nitrogen deficiency or phosphate deficiency, I dose with flourish and I calculated out that in that dose I'm getting 0.07 potassium, 0.0011 phosphorus, and 0.02 nitrogen. I have been trying to do without water changes till like every six months and then redose with flourish. I currently haven't got to the next water change and redose. So what I'm I doing wrong? ill take all suggestions
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Hmmm. I suggest to start by cutting off the damaged leaves as close to the roots as possible so the plant can focus on new growth.
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Have you looked at the sticky in the fertilizer section? good info there,

flourish is not a stand alone product, you need to be dosing more, although I'm not sure how it works with 6 month water change intervals...........that could be a problem unless your going for a natural walstad type thing I guess

Also, no mention of co2......co2 accounts for something like half of what the plant needs, so without it things can be tough............in this case your only real option is to lessen the light intensity and/or duration

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I thought I couldn't cut damaged leafs off Anubis, that what I was told and I have a low tech tank with only a dual t12 so I have no Co2 and I also have flourish root tabs under each plant too and I I'm going for the more natural type
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Well in that case just dose more flourish and cut the dead leaves. I know that flourish is watered down to begin with, while true you would need considerably less ferts with a natural setup, those are clearly signs of nutrient deficiency.

Light sounds low which is good, but try for an 8-10 hr photoperiod, could improve growth

idk squat about walstad method, but I have heard there is a very helpful book about it available

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Well the thing is how much more would I add or would I buy just seperate nutrients that my tank is lacking and dose and my lights are on a timer for 8 hours
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I thought I couldn't cut damaged leafs off Anubis, that what I was told and I have a low tech tank with only a dual t12 so I have no Co2 and I also have flourish root tabs under each plant too and I I'm going for the more natural type
I had a small 3 leaf anubis that I grew to 9 seperate anubis having 15 leafs or so on each in about 6 months and I always snapped off the leaves that became poor or ALgae
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I think the appealing part of the walstad setup is that it's more of a self perpetuating ecosystem

What's your bioload look like? As a guess, dose a capful every week or two, try to adjust and observe as time goes by.

Rather than buying a bunch of ferts for a low tech tank, maybe you should increase the number of fish, between them and the extra food you would be providing more nutrients in addition to the flourish

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My water parameters are: ph 8.4, ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate is really high though its like 40 ppm
I was starting to think my plants had a potassium deficiency because a few of them got pinholes. But others just got dieing spots in the middle of the leafs that turned into the whole tip of the leaf turning brown ( this all happening on old growth) so I thought that could either be nitrogen deficiency or phosphate deficiency, I dose with flourish and I calculated out that in that dose I'm getting 0.07 potassium, 0.0011 phosphorus, and 0.02 nitrogen. I have been trying to do without water changes till like every six months and then redose with flourish. I currently haven't got to the next water change and redose. So what I'm I doing wrong? ill take all suggestions
It seems you are missing micro nutrients. You got the Macro nutrients (NPK) but not the micros such as plantex CSM+B. you only do water changes every six months? how big is your tank? is it heavily planted?

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I had a small 3 leaf anubis that I grew to 9 seperate anubis having 15 leafs or so on each in about 6 months and I always snapped off the leaves that became poor or ALgae
same here. I cut off dying or algae covered leaf off my anubias and have not seen any negative effects. Been doing that for several months
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"It seems you are missing micro nutrients. You got the Macro nutrients (NPK) but not the micros such as plantex CSM+B. "

Does not flourish comprehensive contain the micros, albeit in a much weaker percentage?

edit: Here is flourish analysis from seachem website:

0.014 mg/L (ppm) of Nitrogen per 5 mL in 250 L
0.002 mg/L (ppm) of Phosphorus per 5 mL in 250 L
0.074 mg/L (ppm) of Soluble Potash per 5 mL in 250 L
0.028 mg/L (ppm) of Calcium per 5 mL in 250 L
0.022 mg/L (ppm) of Magnesium per 5 mL in 250 L
0.055 mg/L (ppm) of Sulfur per 5 mL in 250 L
0.0018 mg/L (ppm) of Boron per 5 mL in 250 L
0.23 mg/L (ppm) of Chlorine per 5 mL in 250 L
0.00008 mg/L (ppm) of Cobalt per 5 mL in 250 L
0.00002 mg/L (ppm) of Copper per 5 mL in 250 L
0.0064 mg/L (ppm) of Iron per 5 mL in 250 L
0.00236 mg/L (ppm) of Manganese per 5 mL in 250 L
0.00018 mg/L (ppm) of Molybdenum per 5 mL in 250 L
0.026 mg/L (ppm) of Sodium per 5 mL in 250 L
0.00014 mg/L (ppm) of Zinc per 5 mL in 250 L

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My tank isn't huge it's only a 55 gal with about 50 % plants matter and that crazy my Anubis grows very slow much slower than that
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And here's the nutrients in flourish its hard to read sorry
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