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What is the dosage of flourish in mL?

I need to know what the dosage of flourish is on the bottle in mL. Mostly because if I know I can determine my CSM+B formula.

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Your CSM+B formula is not the same as flourish so dosing it like flourish is illogical.
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Greg Watson has posted a short piece on CSM+B as a micro nutrient source on gregwatson.com

Quick summary is that you need to dose 25% more CSM+B solution than Flourish...e.g., 1tsp of Flourish = 1.25tsp of CSM+B solution

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Just to fill in the missing info, the "CSM+B solution" is 1 tablespoon to 500 mL.

Anyhow, dosing like flourish won't get you the same concentrations like flourish. Flourish has way more iron in proportion to the other traces, and trying to correct that with 25% extra volume doesn't make it even close. Actually that 25% factor doesn't even make the iron dosings equal between fluorish and CSM+B. Certainly this is all doable and you will get your plants to grow - just want to mention that thinking it is like flourish is not correct. I used that 25% factor for a while but...

I now dose CSM+B by the PMDD method, not the formula. http://www.thekrib.com/Plants/Fertil...-tim.html#roll look for the info on the dropping method.
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You guys missed my point entirely. Ok on the flourish bottle does it say add one capfull per ten gallons, or add so many mL per whatever gallons? That i need to know what it is in mL, to how many gallons.

Do you understand?

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You easily could have found this on the Seachem website...they say:
DIRECTIONS: Use 1 capful (5 mL) for each 250 L (60 gallons*) once or twice a week. For smaller doses, please note that each cap thread is approximately 1 mL. Refrigeration after opening is recommended but not required.

When you said "Mostly because if I know I can determine my CSM+B formula." it suggests you want to use to "imitate" the fluorish solution. Impossible BTW with CSM+B alone.
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Mix one tablespoon of Plantex CSM+B into 500 ml of water. Use a starting dose of 05-1.0 ml per 20 gallons of water. Adjust accordingly. Use more for high light CO2 injected tanks.

Note I'm not a fan of using Plantex to supply total iron needs in a tank. The copper level can get quite high while trying to do so. Iron chelate works much better and is very cheap.
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Well I bought it and I am hoping to get good results. I am going to dose tomorrow right after a water change with 3ml, i have a 66 gallon tank so that isn't over doing it. And I also dose 5 ml of KNO3 every second or third day.

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Iron chelate works much better and is very cheap.
Rex what is your dosing ratio scheme for iron chelate? Do you does dry?

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The iron I make a solution 1 tablespoon in 500 ml of water. And I have yet to do the math to know exactly how much of my 14% iron chelate to dose so I have been dosing 1 ml every other day into my 55 gallon tank and have had no problems at all.
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I just bought shrimp yesterday and they died today. I've been dosing the CSM+B by the PMDD method, and long ago realized that there isn't enough iron in comparison to the other trace elements. I suppose it finally mattered and the copper built up killing the shrimp.

Rex, where can I get this 14% iron chelate? I know Greg sells a 10%er for $17/pound. Not necessarily cheap, and you said yours was cheap. I might be able to do the math too.
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To expand on that, 5ml is one teaspoon roughly.

I suggest going to your local drug store and gettinga graduated dropper, alot easier to dose 1ml with some semblance of accuracy.

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WOW!!! Thanks all for the great help and advice. I have 66 gallon tank with 2.5wpg of lighting and CO2 of around 10ppm. How much of trace elements should I dose per week using the required amount just given to me on this topic?

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I got my iron chelate at www.litemanu.com and I guess they are now saying it's 13%. PM me your address and I will send you some. I have this very strange feeling that the pound I have is going to last a very very long time.
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I was afraid it was going to be another iron seqestrene. Do you happen to know which one it is? There are several like FeDTPA (seqestrene 330), FeEDDHA (seqestrene 180) etc. (JFYI, Greg Watson has told me his 10% chelate is FeDTPA seqestrene 330). These chelates though some quick reading seem to be a lot better then most, being more stable and all. Kevin you can step in now.

Scalare altum - I would dose as rex said: "Mix one tablespoon of Plantex CSM+B into 500 ml of water. Use a starting dose of 05-1.0 ml per 20 gallons of water."

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