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Miracle gro organic choice potting mix or MTS

Since I have now bought topsoil to find out it not correct type to use for MTS and have already sifted it I am rather annoyed. It was cheap topsoil from home depot, nothing about peat, but I finally found info on it today.

With that being said I am annoyed, thinking just going with MGOCPM. Downside of going this route?
If I were to go with MTS I still run the risk of not getting the right soil, as it took me about 2 weeks to find stuff at a home depot. All the other stores have top soil with peat moss.
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Why don't you use mgops for the soil in your MTS?
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Why don't you use mgops for the soil in your MTS?

That what I was thinking as well. Was wondering if I could just follow same steps.
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That what I was thinking as well. Was wondering if I could just follow same steps.
Using MGOCPM is not advised since you need to sift out all the large organic particles (bark, sticks, twigs, etc). With all the sifting done, you aren't left with much soil to work with. When making MTS, you should use regular topsoil with no added fertilizers or peat.

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Re: Miracle gro organic choice potting mix or MTS

At this point i have sifted the miracle gro was going to rinse it a few days at put in tank. Cannot find just soil around here and honest i am tired of looking. This is bring no enjoyment what so every to this hobby. I have 2 18 gal tote full of sifted miracle gro

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Load the tank already LOL!
OK! so I'm bragging on organic rich dirt mixes if you look at my tank journals there is not a single failure or OMG! moment beyond my own misconceptions. NPT dirt works and MTS is a mess I don't care who makes it.

1 MTS here and over a dozen MGOCPM tanks (can't say more) but have, it's in the journals

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Load the tank already LOL!
OK! so I'm bragging on organic rich dirt mixes if you look at my tank journals there is not a single failure or OMG! moment beyond my own misconceptions. NPT dirt works and MTS is a mess I don't care who makes it.

1 MTS here and over a dozen MGOCPM tanks (can't say more) but have, it's in the journals
I have read several of your posts. Your 110 looks very nice.

So I guess question is, did I make some mistakes with the MGOCPM?

I sifted it. Should I have left it alone, thinking maybe yes, plus my back hurts and I am cold from sitting in the garage for several nights.

I then filled big tote up with water and mixed it up and have just enough water above top of the MGOCPM, though last I looked was floating, and don't really want to go look at it again.

I hate to buy anymore, but wondering do I just need to start over, go buy 2 bags and dump it in?

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Drain off the water and allow it to evaporate to a muddy mess then add it, cap it and plant it.

Did a damp start in a tank upgrade once and yup! posted a thread LOL
Another NPT or D's Dirt Tank=

Screened the dirt once dry too.
haha more tanks, 4 dirt tanks in a 7 tank rack

dirt works so why work the dirt?

and I do indeed ship fish because at 24 tanks wet I'm done adding more LMAO! (for now)

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Drain off the water and allow it to evaporate to a muddy mess then add it, cap it and plant it.

Did a damp start in a tank upgrade once and yup! posted a thread LOL
Another NPT or D's Dirt Tank=

Screened the dirt once dry too.
haha more tanks, 4 dirt tanks in a 7 tank rack

dirt works so why work the dirt?

and I do indeed ship fish because at 24 tanks wet I'm done adding more LMAO! (for now)

So the muddy mess mix, is that the better way to go with it all screened like I did

or

Just dump the bag in the tank not sifted? I still have several unopened bags that why I ask.

Once this is setup, I don't plan to make any changes to tank or plants either.
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I sifted mine then got then socked it, then "I put it in the tank caped it and added water to just below the top of the gravel top and let it sit for 2 weeks just adding water to keep it wet . Thin "I flooded the tank and added plants, I did not have to do any water changes water cleared up in 2 days after a week I added fish . So far no problem with algae and fish are happy . Worked so far for me .
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I sifted mine then got then socked it, then "I put it in the tank caped it and added water to just below the top of the gravel top and let it sit for 2 weeks just adding water to keep it wet . Thin "I flooded the tank and added plants, I did not have to do any water changes water cleared up in 2 days after a week I added fish . So far no problem with algae and fish are happy . Worked so far for me .

THanks for info. So right now I sifted mine, and it in 2 totes soaking, but does not seem to sink to the bottom, and is muddy mess.

My options are to let it dry out for several days

or

Just put new bag of it I have direct in the tank.

I am thinking first option as I like to add some clay to it that I already have.
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posting from work so hit a miss on catching posts LOL

Most methods work really well. Tannins leaching is a minor start issue that passes without to much trouble.

As long as the soil layer is kept >1" <2" and capped:
Sand (or like product 1" approx.) *or*
Flourite, Eco Complete, oil dry etc. to about 1.5" *or*
Gravel to about 2" everything Ive read and done works with little drama.

I've added fish same day with a seeded filter or waited some time,,,,,
Never killed any critters here.

Hope you consider doing a journal to help share knowledge and laughs along with joining the fraternity of dirt.

edit!!: reading the last post I suggest you review my stainless steel rack thread as I did additions on the lower tank and hope that helps with Q&A.

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posting from work so hit a miss on catching posts LOL

Most methods work really well. Tannins leaching is a minor start issue that passes without to much trouble.

As long as the soil layer is kept >1" <2" and capped:
Sand (or like product 1" approx.) *or*
Flourite, Eco Complete, oil dry etc. to about 1.5" *or*
Gravel to about 2" everything Ive read and done works with little drama.

I've added fish same day with a seeded filter or waited some time,,,,,
Never killed any critters here.

Hope you consider doing a journal to help share knowledge and laughs along with joining the fraternity of dirt.
Same, and I am not being very productive. ha ha

I like having it sifted I think, plus I could return the extra since it not cheap.

Only problem is waiting for it to dry.

I need to start a journal for sure. Taking on too much at once, just finished my stand, need to get it stained and seal.

Thanks for your reply
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welcome! take your time and understand that done right it lasts longer than most modern relationships (sad but true) don't rush things.

My first dirt tank turns 4yrs. old this year.

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Is laterite necessary with dirted tanks? I plant on using potash, and clay, along with this potting mix.

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