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pH of 8.0, will this be a problem?

I am in week 4 of my fishless cycle..things look good! almost done
my pH is a steady 8.0(api master kit)
tap is (8.2-8.4)

My current wishlist for 55gal planted low tech is
5-albino or leapord corys
10-harlq. rasbora
10-neon tetras or cardinal
5 or so Blue rainbows

will my pH be a problem.. most of what i read said as long as it is steady. But on aqadvisor it says pH of 7.4-7.5
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IMO 8.0 is too high for your list of fish you want. Are you planning on using driftwood or Co2?

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no CO2 so is driftwood the only natural way to lower it? I don't want to go chemical route..
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Most people use peat if they don't want to go the chemical route. More info here:

http://www.fishlore.com/fishforum/ph...-lower-ph.html

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I am in week 4 of my fishless cycle..things look good! almost done
my pH is a steady 8.0(api master kit)
tap is (8.2-8.4)

My current wishlist for 55gal planted low tech is
5-albino or leapord corys
10-harlq. rasbora
10-neon tetras or cardinal
5 or so Blue rainbows

will my pH be a problem.. most of what i read said as long as it is steady. But on aqadvisor it says pH of 7.4-7.5
Hello sim...

Most aquarium fish adapt well to most public water supplies. Even a pH of 8.5, though high on the scale, is tolerable as long as it stays constant. Corydoras are an exception. They prefer a more neutral pH, close to 7. Your other fish should have no trouble in the alkaline water.

Just an opinion, though.

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pH of 8.0, will this be a problem?

You may want to skip the corys and neons, but the rainbows and rasboras will likely be ok. Consider some danios and more hardy tetras.
One thing to beware of is acclimation. Know the PH of the store's water and acclimate slowly.


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good advice guys! thanks..
if cories are out what else for the bottom? I don't like plecos
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We have substantial limestone deposits in our water table here in Western NY; the pH out of the tap is roughly 8.2.

I would agree that the corys are not a good fit. I also had problems when I attempted to keep Cardinal, Rummynose, Neon, and a few other tetra species. They survived but their growth was slow and the colors were not as intense as they were in softer, more neutral water.

Serpae, Columbian, and Buenos Aires tetras all did well in the water.

You can buffer your water will Peat Moss & driftwood, however a lot is going to depend on your KH. I tried many methods to keep the pH down, but ultimately battling the parameters was too much of a hassle. I eventually switched to an RO unit.

Keep in mind too, most plants don't like the pH that high and may not grow well.

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We have substantial limestone deposits in our water table here in Western NY; the pH out of the tap is roughly 8.2.

I would agree that the corys are not a good fit. I also had problems when I attempted to keep Cardinal, Rummynose, Neon, and a few other tetra species. They survived but their growth was slow and the colors were not as intense as they were in softer, more neutral water.

Serpae, Columbian, and Buenos Aires tetras all did well in the water.

You can buffer your water will Peat Moss & driftwood, however a lot is going to depend on your KH. I tried many methods to keep the pH down, but ultimately battling the parameters was too much of a hassle. I eventually switched to an RO unit.

Keep in mind too, most plants don't like the pH that high and may not grow well.
Someday hope to get RO but won't be in budget for some time... Well through last time I tested my KH was the first week into cycle (Jan 27) it was 8
I am using python for wc and it's through my water softner.. But today I will test my water not through softner.. Don't know if it will be any better
Does peat or driftwood work pretty good or does it make pH fluctuate?
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You are doing a "fishless" cycle, which leads me to believe that you are dumping ammonia in your tank? Ammonia is a base and will raise your pH. It should go back down when you are done with your cycle.
Yes that's correct, dosing with pure ammonia.
But the pH of my water softner tap is 8.2-8.4
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ph of 8.0

Hey city sara, regarding your stocking list, I will tell you I've kept Cory's (peppered) in 8.2'ish water very succesfully. I've also kept otto's ottocinclus (sp) catfish in the same tank. The real trick is to acclimate them gradually. PH is important but it is much more important to kept your nitrates below 20ppm. As far as some of those tetra's on the list they are much more PH sensitive
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ok so i tested the tap(not softened) and its 8.2
should i do a large wc with the well water or continue softened water?
I am looking for driftwood, any recommendations on that? there so many choices on Ebay
my lfs doesn't sell driftwood
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ok so i tested the tap(not softened) and its 8.2
should i do a large wc with the well water or continue softened water?
I am looking for driftwood, any recommendations on that? there so many choices on Ebay
my lfs doesn't sell driftwood
Is your softener one that uses salt? If so, its not really softening the water at all, its just exchanging minerals, to make the water "feel" softer. I would maybe do a full water test on both the well and the tap "softened" water, paying attention to the kH and alkalinity of both. If it was me, I would just use the well water.

As far as driftwood, ive spent hours looking on [Ebay Link Removed] I have gotten pieces from several different sellers. I cant really recommend one over another. I cant really get any here locally at my LFS's either. I REALLY wish i could! Even with tons of pictures and and measurements online, I still have a hard time finding exactly the pieces i want. I know I would be much more successful if I could actually look at and hold the pieces, and have several to select from.
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ok here are my test results... before i list... my pH is steady at 8.. but the last 2 saturdays i have done a partial WC, dosed prime.. then added flourish and excel.. and by monday my pH is purple!!(8.2+) so i tested to today and its 8.2 and my nitrates are 80 and they were 20.. any ideas??

Ok here my test results(api master kit)
Tank as of result:
ammonia-0
nitrite-0
nitrate-80
pH-8.2
KH-5
GH-3

WATER from softner(set out 24hrs and stirred occasionally)
ammonia-.25-.5
nitrite-0
nitrate-0
pH-8.2-8.4
KH- 11
GH-5

WELL Water(also set out 24hrs and stirred)
ammonia-1.0
nitrite-0
nitrate-0
pH 8.2
KH- 12
GH-... well after 20 drops it was still orange

Which water is better? not well right?
so i need do a WC to get nitrates down.. what is causing the fluctuations?
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Hey city sara, regarding your stocking list, I will tell you I've kept Cory's (peppered) in 8.2'ish water very succesfully. I've also kept otto's ottocinclus (sp) catfish in the same tank. The real trick is to acclimate them gradually. PH is important but it is much more important to kept your nitrates below 20ppm. As far as some of those tetra's on the list they are much more PH sensitive

The water at my place is liquid rock and the pH is usually 7.8-8.0 and I have had a group of bronze corys plus a group of neon and many other fish that needs soft and acidic water and everyone is well. I think the key is to acclimate them the right way and you should be fine.
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