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Shoot. I was hoping to see how to plant discus. And how well they bloom.

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I sure will cover the pots, I'm not interested in seeing them. I'd like to keep it as close to a natural look as possible


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Discuspaul,

Is your sand really that white? Or a light tan? Where did you purchase it?


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Discuspaul,

Is your sand really that white? Or a light tan? Where did you purchase it?


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Yes, my sand is really that white.
I get it here in Vancouver, B.C. from a large pool supply store - it's a no-name brand white silica quartz-based PFS
(likely from stone quarried here in B.C. or Alberta).
The pool filter sand carried by pool supply stores can vary a great deal depending on the region where the stores are located in N. A.
It can vary a lot in color, grade, size, density, and freedom from dust and grit. In some areas I'm told it can be almost impossible to find white sand. You may need to do a lot of searching & inquiring in order to find some, if that's what you want.
Many pool or spa supply stores do carry off-white shades, or light tan colors that are lighter-colored than beach sand, or even light grey sand.
Hope you find something you like.
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I sure will cover the pots, I'm not interested in seeing them. I'd like to keep it as close to a natural look as possible


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Too bad discus don't live around plants in the wild! :P the reason for potted plants is so that you can move it. If you aren't able siphoned every speck of the sand at some point (moving plants around ect) the water quality will fall. Discus are terrible for water quality, and they don't do well with terrible water quality. What is your water change schedule looking like?
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Too bad discus don't live around plants in the wild! :P the reason for potted plants is so that you can move it. If you aren't able siphoned every speck of the sand at some point (moving plants around ect) the water quality will fall. Discus are terrible for water quality, and they don't do well with terrible water quality. What is your water change schedule looking like?
I haven't put water in it yet but I will have a lot of filtration and large daily water changes are possible. At least 3-4 weekly


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Sure their natural aquatic environment would be quit difficult to replicate however. Clay pots certainly would fit well in my tank. I must have some plants in this tank.


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Yes, my sand is really that white.
I get it here in Vancouver, B.C. from a large pool supply store - it's a no-name brand white silica quartz-based PFS
(likely from stone quarried here in B.C. or Alberta).
The pool filter sand carried by pool supply stores can vary a great deal depending on the region where the stores are located in N. A.
It can vary a lot in color, grade, size, density, and freedom from dust and grit. In some areas I'm told it can be almost impossible to find white sand. You may need to do a lot of searching & inquiring in order to find some, if that's what you want.
Many pool or spa supply stores do carry off-white shades, or light tan colors that are lighter-colored than beach sand, or even light grey sand.
Hope you find something you like.
I remember finding pearly white play sand at lowes for my son a few years ago. I'm sure it must be silica sand, I'll test it to be sure. I think it will look good if I can find it.


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Well it looks like that play sand will be entirely to fine. So I found PFS that is a nice light tan color. It's very nice and not so small to be vacuumed out or create anoxic areas.

I will need a very good gravel vac, suggestion?


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A regular siphon will do fine. There isn't anything special about siphoning sand. Hover over the area, sucking up the nasty, then you can put it in the sand and stir it up.
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I have a black knife I've had for over a year, I'd like to put him with my discus. Do you foresee problems?


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People have done it. It isn't recommended I can't remember why though. Head over to simplydiscus. Someone there has done everything you could possibly to do discus.
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Thanks!


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Much more qualified to answer than here.
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Well it looks like that play sand will be entirely to fine. So I found PFS that is a nice light tan color. It's very nice and not so small to be vacuumed out or create anoxic areas.

I will need a very good gravel vac, suggestion?


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As you seem to know, play sand and pool filter sand are not at all the same thing. Play sand is much dirtier, has more dust and grit, and must be very well rinsed, many times before it clears up. It's also much finer grained and not nearly as dense as PFS, so it may become free-floating when disturbed, and can end up clogging your filter and impeller assembly.
It is also very easily siphoned up, so you can't do a proper vacuuming job with it.
Even PFS will get siphoned out if you to try to vacuum with simple siphon tubing. Get yourself a proper wide-mouthed vacuum tube - there are many good varieties available @ LFS's. The density of PFS will not allow it to get sucked up with a proper vac - it may float up into the vac tube an inch or two, and then tumble right back down. Play sand will get sucked up no matter what you use to vac.
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