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post #496 of 509 (permalink) Old 05-26-2013, 01:24 AM
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One more question on this filter setup. I would like to immitate that corner mount that Hoppy posted. Is that too much flow for shrimp like that or is the spray bar the better way to go to be able to reduce the current?

I am torn between corner mount, back, and the end positions. Want to make sure that the current keeps the mosses clear, but not blowing the shrimp around like debris.

Thoughts?
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post #497 of 509 (permalink) Old 05-29-2013, 02:50 AM
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post #498 of 509 (permalink) Old 05-29-2013, 05:13 AM
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I have one side mounted unit which I have tried running at 2 to 4 times water turnover. I believe as long as your outlet it high up from just below to at the water level, the flow in the tank is not going to be really bad. Most hob or canister filter are going to be much much stronger. Get a adjustable water pump so that you can adjust the flow between 2-4 times your requirement and you should be fine, The suction on the sponge is also going to be so weak that I doubt any young shrimp is going to be stuck on the sponge from the suction power due to the large surface area.
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post #499 of 509 (permalink) Old 05-29-2013, 05:42 AM
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Yeah, I bought the jet lifters for convenience, but they really are just nice PVC (a bit thinner than your average PVC though). I think the key is that they turn and poke through the foam wall. I'm thinking a small desk-fountain type pump for behind the foam (if you don't want to do the air powered) and then a circulation outside would work for you. Good luck!
I believe the advantage of the jetlifter is that it uses curved part rather than a 90 degree elbow to maximize flow. not that you couldn't do it yourself....

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post #500 of 509 (permalink) Old 05-29-2013, 02:39 PM
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It really comes down to placement for me. I can follow hoppy and sewingings instructions for drilling holes slowly to get the flow levels I want, but was curious how the single tube flow rate was.

I bought a non adjustable rio 450 based on recomendations, so I think the bar is my method of choice now.

Now I just gotta decide on end of tank with spray bar above, or corner with spraybar on the end. I have a beautiful chunk of dw I am soaking, but it takes up alot of space so may have to trim it to fit, just dont know how much room this filter will take. Still waiting on the poret to show up... must be pony express...
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Sumps stink for shrimp since they get in there and into the overflows.
Not if you use a filter sock. I can't tell you how many times I have fished my kuhli loaches from the sock in the sump until they were too big to slide through the grooves in the overflow.
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post #502 of 509 (permalink) Old 06-12-2013, 04:10 PM
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Ok, stand built, check
Poret and pump on workbench check.
Coffee with extra um.. flavor check.
How to put this dang foam in the tank...

How did you folks keeping shrimp with these, keep shrimp from entering "over" the foam?

Think I will hold off one more work trip to do this part and draw up ideas.. darned wood is not sinking still...

Any artisans that wanna share some sketch ideas of how to "contain" the foam, please do.

Gonna pick up some acrylic and pvc this afternoon hopefully
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post #503 of 509 (permalink) Old 06-14-2013, 03:39 PM
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Actually think all of those questions were addressed in this thread.

There are several photos and explanations about how to contain the foam.
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post #504 of 509 (permalink) Old 06-14-2013, 05:21 PM
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Here's my version of the Mattenfilter for a DBP "5B" 3.2gal tank. I didn't want to sacrifice space for an internal filter and I had all this extra glass (4 dividers & top) so, I built a glass sump and used a Rio+ 90 powerhead to create flow. The flow is directed by Fischer Chem 9mm lily pipes and (3) Fluval foam pads were used as filtering media. As an added touch, I placed a few Hemianthus glomeratus cuttings inbetween the foam pads at the surface to experiment with emergent growth.
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post #505 of 509 (permalink) Old 06-14-2013, 09:47 PM
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Yeah, there are alot of posts about the sides, for bending it for corners and such, and Hoppy showed his cool stand to keep the sand from going under it, but nothing addresses the over the top portion.

Thanks for the idea on the add on, unfortunately the stand is built already and I am limited to in tank design now.

Think I'll just try my hand at the acrylic and see what i can come up with. Will take some pics to add though.
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post #506 of 509 (permalink) Old 06-15-2013, 07:01 PM
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My tank has glass tops, so I just cut another piece of foam, put it on top of the filter foam and it smishes up against the glass. It's not pretty but it works. When I take down these tanks (temp only) and re-set them up again I'll probably do something similar and/or get a strip of acrylic along the top to serve the same function.
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post #507 of 509 (permalink) Old 06-16-2013, 04:21 AM
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thats kinda what I am thinking. Gonna play with some really thin plexi sheets and see what I can come up with. Will take some pics for the progress.

thanks for the ideas
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post #508 of 509 (permalink) Old 02-08-2014, 03:13 PM
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Pretty neat idea here
Saw it on u tube but never thought it can be used for a planted.

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post #509 of 509 (permalink) Old 04-19-2014, 10:21 AM
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Great idea. I can't wait to use this on a tank.
Also the link mentioned in the beginning of the thread has great info.
http://www.angelsplus.com/Filters.htm

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